The Manhattanese Solution

[Dingocat85]

As is, The Manhattan Project gives everyone the ability to make Atomic Weapons. Some people want it to be a small wonder - but then, how could, say, Russia steal Atomic Knowledge from the US?
Behold , I have found the solution :
Why not make "The Manhattan Project" an Optional Tech? Naturally, it'd take many, many turns to research, and other civs could easily use an espionage mission to steal it.
If anyone sees any flaws in this perfect solution, please let me know
Regards,
Dingocat85

 

[Zouave]

I'm sure those who love Big Bangs and the vicarious thrills of exterminating millions would never part with the MP.

But I've turned it into a commerce-producing Internet Wonder. Without a Quick Response to a First Strike I will NEVER use nukes. The idea of sitting there for an entire turn getting nuked and waiting until the next turn to respond is absurd. It also promotes First Strikes, and is thus very unrealistic.

 

[d3dash]

I would say a Small wonder. For this reason, even if a Civ has knowledge of the atom, and how to do it, they all have to test it. And that is what the Manhattan Project was, US's testing of the bomb. Russia did their own test, as well as Pakistan and India (forgive me for spelling) If one civ steals the tech from another then it just enables that civ to build their bomb and test it, once they complete the project, then they can build the actual bombs.

So SMALL WONDER ALL THE WAY BA-BY!!!!

 

[stooky]

Just since someone *always* posts a historical note, I just want to put in the the bomb at Hiroshima was an untested design (uranium gun type). The second bomb was the same design as the Trinity test (plutonium implosion type). The gun design is pretty inefficient, but the physicists were sure it would work. Point is, these days you probably could build a functional nuclear weapon without testing, since the physics was proven more than 50 years ago.

 

[Dingocat85]

Hmm...so why not make it an Optional Tech, that ENABLES a civ to build the 'Manhattan Project" SMALL wonder?

 

[Cade Foster]

nukes are fun. i like to nuke the world when i am the germany its fun

 

[SirJava]

I think it should be a small wonder.

I see the point made that the atomic technology cant be stolen. This is true, but who cares about realism (not civIII), for gameplay reasons it would be better if it cant be stolen.

alternatively a city could have to produce a missile production plant before it can make nukes (to slow down the process).

Manhattan as it is sux.

Best make it a small wonder be done with it.

 

[Mechanical_Animal]

It should stay how it is. It proves that nuclear weapons are possible to all civilisations on the planet (as happened in 1945).

However each civ should have to build a refining plant or nuclear weapons plant before they can build nuclear weapons. The Manhattan project could also count as one of these for the civ that builds it. In this case by building the project you prove nukes are possible and are able to build more (since it also counts as a nuclear weapons plant for you). Other civs now know it is possible to build nukes and can now build their own plants, once they research the pre requisites.

 

[Frog Propaganda]

1: The Manhattan Project, a small wonder, should enable the construction of nuclear weapons. It should also give 3 tactical nukes(in that city). It should also pollute 2 random squares near the city to build it, to represent the weapon test.

2. To be able to build the nukes though, a city should be connected via trade with a city powered by a nuclear reactor. The Manhattan Project should NOT count towards this. I think this way you have a nice mix of realism and gameplay.

While I agree with Zouave that MAD is something sorely missing in the game, the above comprimise would be a start in fleshing out nukes in Civ 3.

 

[Hamlet]

It should be a small wonder.