The "Meanest" Things You've Done in Civ III

[adog]

^^^ That sounds to me like a waste of time.

 

[Sir_Lancelot]

This is not very mean, but I often park a unit on polluted tiles that are not mine.
Particulary if it will produce much food if cleaned.

 

[Smellincoffee]

Sometimes I'll declare war on the AI. I'll accomplish my primary goal -- probably getting rid of some of their cities on our border, or perhaps taking over a colony city they've made somewhere. Then I'll move in defense troops, pillage their resources, sit on them (if I can, I'll take the city that controls the resource). I arrange for a ROP so my troops can sit on the resource, and then sell that resource to them.

Another time, I wiped a civ off of the map for demanding iron from me. It was insulting, since I was GIVING him about four luxuries and horses. Then I razed Athens (the most cultural city on the map) for their impudence.

 

[rescuerick]

don't know if this is considered mean...

wanted the Great Lib, but i generally will not build AA wonders. was playing an a Pan map, large, with 11 other AIs. found out that the Aztecs were isolated on a pennisula (blocked by me). they started building Pyramids (like 4 or 5 others) but would not finish first. so i started trading them tech (or gifting if I had to) to get them Literature. no one else had it and they could not trade it away. anyway, Persia built Pyramids and Montezuma switched, of course to the GL. as soon as he finished, I declared war and took the library. since he was weak, i ended up finishing him off. net - i gave a couple of techs and got the library and all his land. also, he ended up getting galleys, so just before he made contact with Greece, I sold contact all around. I also sold/trade Lit earlier because Elizabeth discovered it. pretty profitable for me all around.

 

[White Fox]

The meanest thing I ever did in Civ III was awsome. I was playing as Germany on a tiny map with the Aztects, Zulu, and the Chinese. My civ was as big as the other 3 combined. Then I built an army of 100+ panzers and invaded all my enemys on the same turn and destroyed about half their citys. Next, I negoiated peace at a crazy price and forced them to give me all the citys that were out of the way. Then I went in and destroyed all the rest of their citys in one turn. A conquest victory in about 4 turns!

 

[zerksees]

Excerpts from my war academy article “recovering from last place..”

1820
…
After Japan’s turn was done, Gandhi made his move. He launched his nukes! The first seven ICBMs were intercepted by SDI. Seven more were launched and 4 cities were hit. Xinjian, Konigsberg Road, Salzburg and Buffalo were hit. None of these are significant to Japan, though it appears he may be going after aluminum resources.

zerksees is now wise to the effects of SDI, and the nuclear attack. I have never been the target of an ICBM before so I did not know what to expect. I want to launch Japan’s ICBM’s immediately in retaliation.

1822-1824
But I resist. It appears as Gandhi is out of uranium so I plan to finish him off with conventional war. Instead I move key stack of units away from the potential fallout zone of all cities, as I do not want to lose big stacks of units to nuclear attack.

At the end of 1822 he nukes me again. Only two get through but I am getting fed up. If Gandhi wants nuclear winter he is going to get it. I decide the best way to take out Gandhi is to disable his SDI by taking the city holding it and then nuke him into oblivion! Doing some spying I found his SDI is in Hyderabad, about midway into his territory (I had to investigate several cities before I found it). Send a lone MA army towards it, hoping it makes it there to take over the city after the nukes get through. It takes two turns to get there. Japan already has 12 ICBM’s, so I changed production on 19 cities to ICBM.

1826
Rush build 19 ICBMs at a cost of about 12000 gold. zerksees means business now! The MA army is just outside the fallout zone outside Hyderabad. Everything is in place.

Gandhi is not done. He launches two more ICBMs and one hits. I think the total of hit Japanese cities is now at 7.

1828
Japan launches ICBMs at Hyderabad. Four are intercepted. The fifth passes the SDI and scores a hit. There are still units left in there. Did a spy investigate and found two more units in there. OK. More nukes. Launched three more to get another hit. Now there are no units in there. The army crosses the fallout zone and takes the city. Now Gandhi is in trouble. I launch another at Karachi. It hits. My plan is working.

I nuked all the rest of his cities and every launched nuke hit its target. I also nuked Karachi twice so that damaged MA units outside could drive in unopposed. He had one ICBM left in Dehli, so I hit it again but it did not take it out. I decided to take my chances that the SDI would get it.

All the nuking has really left his army in shambles. All 24 of his cities have now been nuked. What a mess!

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Why would you even waste time and money researching Democracy, not to mention Printing Press?

I did not research it. I aquired it some other way. I believe I stole it. (It was on Monarch only and I was drowning in money)

But otherwise you are absolutely right, normally you wouldn't research Democracy. Printing Press maybe only to get a monopoly.

 

[adog]

I did not research it. I aquired it some other way. I believe I stole it. (It was on Monarch only and I was drowning in money)

But otherwise you are absolutely right, normally you wouldn't research Democracy. Printing Press maybe only to get a monopoly.

I'd rather get a monopoly on a tech that has more value to me and let the AI's research printing press.

 

[Abegweit]

I'd rather get a monopoly on a tech that has more value to me and let the AI's research printing press.

That's the AI's attitude too which is why PP can be a good choice.

 

[Stormrage]

Once I played a tiny map with Rome and Greece, and I was Egypt. They pissed me off by some backstabbing, so I just started annihilating - pillaging, razing, killing, enslaving.. Till I got it all cleared. My civ was the only thing left on the map, no sign of them, except ruins..

Another time, I played as Japan, and positioned 10 tanks infront of every Egyptian city (around 25 of them) during a RoP, and then destroyed them in one turn. Everyone hated me for the rest of the game

 

[Elite]

the World pissed me off(unlucky for them I had a stockpile of ICBM's I have been looking for an excuse to launch) to bad the fools pissed me off when they did, biggest mistake they made, then suddenyl, I saw it raining Nukes on my cities aswell(lucky some cities had plenty of Flak protection!)


I also once razed every American city to the ground(they forced me to retreat, and I'd rather burn their cities then give them up)

 

[Virtual Alex]

Ha yeah something like that happened to me also. I took over a nice cluster of german cities in a different continent. Made them all into science farms with MDI and Pikemen. Later in the modern age, france declares on me, and moves tanks into my german cities. So I rushed a barracks in the last coastal city. Moved all the units into it, and abandoned everything else as the tanks got near (to keep them slow). Then I upgraded everything to MI, and TOWi and help france off in that city, popped a few leaders, rushed civial defense, airport, and began the takeover. Felt bad for all those german citizens though.

 

[Vind2]

I RoP raped the lst civ (England, who was gracious to me) to achieve conquest victory

 

[jeps]

As scandinavia, put about 8 beserkers in front of every Persian city on the 19th turn of RoP, wait for it to expire, declare war, and wipe them out in one turn.

 

[Sir_Lancelot]

Most of what I see here is IMO not mean at all. Or is winning the game by ordinary methods a mean thing to do? Maybe conquest victory is always mean.

One of the few I think is mean:

As scandinavia, put about 8 beserkers in front of every Persian city on the 19th turn of RoP, wait for it to expire, declare war, and wipe them out in one turn.

The computer sees that as a ROP-rape. Doesn't it? I guess it doesn't matter so much if they was your last opponent.

 

[axehaxe]

Originally Posted By Sir Lancelot

The computer sees that as a ROP-rape. Doesn't it? I guess it doesn't matter so much if they was your last opponent.

ROP-rape is not mean but it is definetly worse than using an exploit. To me, it belongs in the same category as save reload everytime something bad happens. It's flat out cheating.

Only time it is ever valid is if you know you will win no matter what and it is a waste of time to finish the last civ off with normal fighting. Then it is ok to move in all your troops and take them out in 1 turn for time's sake.

 

[rescuerick]

ROP-rape is not mean but it is definetly worse than using an exploit. To me, it belongs in the same category as save reload everytime something bad happens. It's flat out cheating.

respectfully disagree that ROP-rape is an exploit or worse. not that i have ever used it (unless you consider the case where i walk into their territory without an ROP and then declare). the fact that the AI can and does use it, i would think, by definition, almost excludes it from the list of exploits. in fact, i would go as far as to say it is an AI exploit, because the AI doesn't seem to take the same rep hit that a human would.

rick

 

[AutomatedTeller]

The AI certainly does take a rep hit.

The AI does ROP rape, but it rarely does it on a mass scale - I've never seen them position troops around every city then attack - usually, it's a border city, or a lone unit wandering through the territory and taking an ungarrisoned city.

If you get one of those "these guys have betrayed our friends" message, it's probably because they declared war with one of their troops next to the city.

 

[chorte]

I think the meanest thing I've done is launch 79 nukes in one turn. That's about it.

 

[Sir_Lancelot]

The Civ 3 series i quite clean. In Call to Power there is alot of bad things to do.