The money for stem cells is moving

[Xanikk999]

Where do you think we get them? From the magical stem cell tree? . No, we get them by killing an innocent fetus. Its esentaly wasting life that is to valuble to be wasted. Using them in the name of science is certanly wrong and not respectful for the dead.

But my point is it is legal for early to mid term abortions in the United States.

So rather then wasting fetuses who are dead anyway we can use them for stem cell research.

And also just because they were aborted doesnt mean it was because the mother didnt want a baby.

The baby could of died in the womb. Or it could die of birth complications. So even if it was illegal to use birth control besides condoms there would still be aborted fetuses.

But since its not illegal we shouldnt waste the ones that are aborted.

 

[puglover]

The amount of government money that goes into stem cell research makes me ill. Life is too valuable to spend for such ends, even if they bear a medical benefit.

 

[El_Machinae]

Ack! The misinformation here!

First off, the $12.1 million was donated while waiting for the $3billion to win its court challenge. The $3 billion is now available to be distributed.

Basically, the people who donated the millions were guessing the billions would be freed up (after the court cases were defeated). The billions are now freed.

Civgeneral: stem cell research doesn't mean that aborted fetuses are used. Currently, some cells are used from aborted fetuses (who were aborted anyway, no one aborted them specifically to donate to research), but the the advent of cloning and esc techniques, no fetuses need be aborted any longer. In fact, modern stem cell research reduces the scientific 'demand' for aborted fetus cells.

MobBoss: the research is funded for the same reason why any research is funded. 1) it creates a ground base of knowledge that is then usable by industry (viagra was built off of principals that were discovered by public funding). 2) California moves the research there, so that spring-off biotech companies are likely to form there. 3) any discoveries with public funds are 'open source' and not patentable, which means that the market price off of the final product will be lower, because there will be fewer fingers in the pie - and since this is a medical product, that means cheaper therapy prices.

California expects to proft because they will draw talent and innovation which will have spin off effects. As well, 'ground base' research is economically risky, and Wall Street prefers ROI not gambling.

Finally, "Stem Cell Research" is a blanket term. There is a WHOLE lot of stem cell research that's not ethically sticky or controversial. *I* have stem cells in my blood, and there is research into those stem cells to help me or a person with an acceptable blood type. There are a whole lot of types of this research that harm no one, and a few that are ethically sticky. (Some of the 'ethically sticky' ones are because people don't have all the information, and would not be offended if they knew more)

 

[Kozmos]

The amount of government money that goes into stem cell research makes me ill. Life is too valuable to spend for such ends, even if they bear a medical benefit.

Okay then but dont come whining when you lose an arm or a leg or one of your majors organs fails.

 

[GenMarshall]

But my point is it is legal for early to mid term abortions in the United States.

For me, I feel that abortions should be illegal and never legal at anypoint during the pregnancy.

Its wrong to just use them for science. They never had given consent (for they never had the chance to be born and grow up) to be used for medical research. These dead fetuses should be given a proper burial, not be used for science.

And also just because they were aborted doesnt mean it was because the mother didnt want a baby.

Does not matter, abortions is still wrong.

The baby could of died in the womb. Or it could die of birth complications. So even if it was illegal to use birth control besides condoms there would still be aborted fetuses.

But since its not illegal we shouldnt waste the ones that are aborted.

But did that baby who was born of stillbirth gave consent? No. Not to be gross but I doubt a miscarraged embryo would be worth anything floating in a toilet.

I guess you have not taken that I am pro-life and against abortions regardless of the stage of pregnancy because I feel that life is to vauble to be wasted on such medical research. For the unborn babies, fetuses, and embryos they should have a proper burial and respect for the dead, not to be used as medical research.

Okay then but dont come whining when you lose an arm or a leg or one of your majors organs fails.

Thats where we have cybernetics to come into play. Lose an arm, no problem just get a cyberneticly enhansed prostetic .

 

[El_Machinae]

Just to be clear:

stem cell research does not always equal (=) an aborted fetus:
- adult stem cell research has no aborted anything involved
- embryonic stem cell research can lead to embryo death, but does not have to
- cloning research does not involve an aborted embryo

For people against abortion, only some of the stem cell research involved killing an embryo. Not all. So, there's no point being against all the research - not when it can save lives.

 

[Kozmos]

Thats where we have cybernetics to come into play. Lose an arm, no problem just get a cyberneticly enhansed prostetic .

And what happend when you woke up?

Most people are not die-hard fans of prosthetics,besides cybernetically enchanced ones that are like stronger then your real organic arm are far far away in terms of research.

 

[GenMarshall]

And what happend when you woke up?

Most people are not die-hard fans of prosthetics,besides cybernetically enchanced ones that are like stronger then your real organic arm are far far away in terms of research.

Then money should be put into cybernetics insted of using innocent aborted and dead babies in stem cell research.

 

[El_Machinae]

Actually, artificial muscle is already roughly 100x stronger than human muscle. Now that they're looking at motor-powered muscles instead of battery-powered muscles

CBC podcast

Engineers have never managed to produce a muscle as compact, powerful and portable as human muscle, but Dr. Ray Baughman and his team from the Nanotech Institute and the Department of Chemistry at the University of Texas may have equaled nature's feat, and perhaps even done better. They've developed artificial muscle devices that can be fueled by hydrogen, or even simple alcohol, and can be engineered to have one hundred times the strength of human muscle. If they can be introduced into robotic or prosthetic limbs, they could lead to vast improvements over the devices being used today.

And our interfaces are getting much better too.

ScienceFriday podcast

In this hour, we'll take a look at tissue engineering. How close are scientists to making organs to order, or getting limbs to regrow? Plus, a look at bionics. We'll talk with the inventor of a computer controlled hand for amputees, and hear about the latest in bionic eyes.

I encourage anybody who is interested in bionics to download and listen to these mp3 files.

 

[GenMarshall]

- adult stem cell research has no aborted anything involved

Thats the only thing that I would approve off, Thats about IT!.

- embryonic stem cell research can lead to embryo death, but does not have to

At least you admit that embryonic stem cell research leads to the destruction of human life.

- cloning research does not involve an aborted embryo

Cloning?!!? That is certanly a big no-no! Human Cloning would open up a whole boxcar of pandora's boxes from Discrimination and Prejudgues between "Designer Humans" vs. Regualr Humans to Human Cloning as an alternate form of human reproduction.

some[/B] of the stem cell research involved killing an embryo. Not all. So, there's no point being against all the research - not when it can save lives.

Does not matter, it involves destroying a human embryo. I see embryonic stem cell research as an attack on innocent life and is related to abortion and euthenasia.

 

[Mr Moron]

*groan* there is no good reason this even an issue. Some times I wonder if people don't just want to jame the engine of progress into full-reverse.

 

[El_Machinae]

I'm saying ... only SOME of the research involved killing embryoes. Granted, those embryoes are being killed. But the problems is that a whole LOT of esc research does not involve killing embryoes - and those are 'hated' by the religious-right just as much (mainly due to ignorance).

And I think that you don't understand the different types of cloning. NO ONE is suggesting that cloning human beings be done - none of the 'pandoras box' scenarios you are thinking about are being considered by the scientists. And any cloning research you hear about does not create a human being, or a human embryo, or anything like that.

Cloning means turning a cell into something that matches the genetic code of the donor. It does certainly NOT present itself as an alternate form of reproduction.

 

[Stylesjl]

Civgeneral understand this

-Some abortions have to happen. If a mother is in danger where if she dies both her and the fetus die. They abort the fetus to save at least one life.

-Not all stem cell research invloves killing babies

-Stem Cell research is quite valuable medically and can save lives

-If a fetus is already dead then why not use it? If i died i would allow a doctor or scientist to do whatever they wanted with my body. After all i'm dead!

 

[Kozmos]

Ahh yes but that's nanotech that made the artificial muscle.

 

[MjM]

Good. One of the only good things to come out of Cali in the past while.

 

[GenMarshall]

Civgeneral understand this

-Some abortions have to happen. If a mother is in danger where if she dies both her and the fetus die. They abort the fetus to save at least one life.

Does not matter, abortions are still wrong. Most oftenly she could just get a second opinion from another doctor so that she does not have to murder an innocent child.

With proper Pro-life treatment, she can carry the pregnancy to full term with no problems.

-Not all stem cell research invloves killing babies

Then why not use strictly adult stem cells insted of killing an innocent unborn baby and havesting it for stem cells.

-Stem Cell research is quite valuable medically and can save lives

True, BUT I will only accept that IF stem cell research is only alowed to adult stem cells. Sounds kind of hypocritic to me to kill lives (innocent unborn babies) inorder to save lives

-If a fetus is already dead then why not use it? If i died i would allow a doctor or scientist to do whatever they wanted with my body. After all i'm dead!

No, if the fetus is already dead, Dont use it. Respect the dead and give it a proper burial. Would a dead old man want to be used for medical research (provided that he was given consent and chose not to have his body be used for research).

 

[Xanikk999]

Does not matter, abortions are still wrong. Most oftenly she could just get a second opinion from another doctor so that she does not have to murder an innocent child.

With proper Pro-life treatment, she can carry the pregnancy to full term with no problems.


Then why not use strictly adult stem cells insted of killing an innocent unborn baby and havesting it for stem cells.


True, BUT I will only accept that IF stem cell research is only alowed to adult stem cells. Sounds kind of hypocritic to me to kill lives (innocent unborn babies) inorder to save lives


No, if the fetus is already dead, Dont use it. Respect the dead and give it a proper burial. Would a dead old man want to be used for medical research (provided that he was given consent and chose not to have his body be used for research).

Regarding your last remark.

Why would it be disrespectful to use the body to benifit mankind? Your dead it doesnt matter what anyone does with your body because you wont notice. So it shouldnt matter what they want you to do with the dead body. It should be used for scientific research anyway.

 

[Bluemofia]

A good majority of stem cells comes from left over Vitro Fertilization embryos. They will have 2 choices for the use of the leftovers.

1. Use them for Stem Cell reserach.
2. Garbage. Which leads to opening up a new restraunt for flies. "Embryo entree" for the maggots!

Personally, choice 1 sounds better.

And if I die, I would gladly give my body to science.

 

[blackheart]

Question: Why do public funds need to be dedicated to this? Why are not private corporations doing this type of research as is usually the case? I mean, we never had to raise public funds to research Viagra did we?

If stem cell research is "the way of the future" then certainly some future minded investors/corporations would be more than interested in that kind of research.

So, why isnt that happening?

I have thought about it, and I'm not really sure. But I think it goes along the line of "better government money than our own (corporation) money."

 

[Mr Moron]

No, if the fetus is already dead, Dont use it. Respect the dead and give it a proper burial. Would a dead old man want to be used for medical research (provided that he was given consent and chose not to have his body be used for research).

In all honesty it doesn't really matter. A dead body is just that, a corpse. It isn't a person it isn't a being of any it's just a thing. Nothing of what that person was or would be remains in the the rotting sack they leave behind. Acting like you should have some kind of respect for dead body is like saying walnut shells are good food or casings left over from spent bullets are still dangerous weapons.