Espírito
Civ Addict
Good to know. Surprised the Egyptians had success vs. the Maya with their non-Bronze-needing Holkans.
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The Most Dangerous Game - Small Pangaea FFA
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Tankra
Warlord
Never underestimate the power of the War Chariots. Also, the dark side of the force.
GPS
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Mîtiu Ioan
Deity
Well ... seems that the agressive settling-policy of Ottomans force disappoint us once more and our veteran chariots are forced once more to an intervention ... 
Sent to Ardi again.
Sent to Ardi again.
Espírito
Civ Addict
1. Aggressive settling policyMîtiu Ioan;11410651 said:Well ... seems that the agressive settling-policy of Ottomans force disappoint us once more and our veteran chariots are forced once more to an intervention ...
Sent to Ardi again.
2. You attack with one chariot, 20% chance to win. I don't want to accuse you of trying it out before deciding whether to reload, but...
3. Make sure to read my in-game message before taking your turn. I absolutely mean what I say.
gps
Mîtiu Ioan
Deity
My scout just spotted this turn the spearman heading towards your new founded city. 20% for veteran chariot against a just-fortified archer in a city with 0% culture-bonus is much more than ... ~0% against a fortified spearman backed by 20% bonus - no ? 
I'll read your in-game message carefully when I'll receive the save again - be sure about that.
I'll read your in-game message carefully when I'll receive the save again - be sure about that.
Tankra
Warlord
Damn. Wouldn't wanna be in that corner of the world.
GPS.
EDIT: A combat II chariot attacking an archer in a city with 0% fortification or culture gives you a 60.6% chance of success. Not too shabby; worth the gamble if winning gives you the city. However, this all depends on how much your archer was fortified. If he was fortified at just 10%, the odds of success are down to 43.6%. At 25%, it is indeed as Gareth mentioned, and becomes slightly fishy, because odds of success are 25.1%. Still, mind you, a "passable" choice, due to the fact that you're getting someone's city, after all.
GPS.
EDIT: A combat II chariot attacking an archer in a city with 0% fortification or culture gives you a 60.6% chance of success. Not too shabby; worth the gamble if winning gives you the city. However, this all depends on how much your archer was fortified. If he was fortified at just 10%, the odds of success are down to 43.6%. At 25%, it is indeed as Gareth mentioned, and becomes slightly fishy, because odds of success are 25.1%. Still, mind you, a "passable" choice, due to the fact that you're getting someone's city, after all.
Mîtiu Ioan
Deity
Yeap. Especially if you'd be cornered without access to metal ...
@Espírito
I didn't receive any in-game message from you !
The city was just founded - but on a hill, so with better chances for the archers. I didn't check the odds anyway ... but I belive that the archer was just fortified inside so no bonus from here. As I said - it was a "desperation attack" because I spotted also a spearman heading to reinforce the archer + axeman defense there ....
BTW - one more question : it's allowed to have an "outside the game diplomacy" in this game ?
sent.
According to this http://c4combat.narod.ru/c4c.htm , a chariot with 20% strength against archer w/ 50% from city and 25% from fortify would be 32% / 68% odds.
According to this http://c4combat.narod.ru/c4c.htm , a chariot with 20% strength against archer w/ 50% from city and 25% from fortify would be 32% / 68% odds.
Espírito
Civ Addict
I may have been a little... tactless... with my last post. Just grumpy about losing my new city and two units to one chariot when the odds were so much in my favour and an attack wasn't to be expected when out of all the forces in the region I had the advantage...
And the city wasn't captured, just destroyed.
My message basically explained that a war between us is in neither of our interests as we're both already falling behind the others. Unfortunately it seems you don't agree, so war it will be though it will cause us to both lose this game.
gps
I went off the odds from the combat log. Chariot + 20% vs. Archer + 100% (+50% city, +25% hill, +25% base hill). Combat log said 20% odds, your website says 24.x%, which takes it from 4-1 to 3-1 but still not enough (imo) to start a war!
Sure, if my only defender were an archer it is plausible, but with an axe also, the chariot loses 4 times from 5 and with only an archer to back up the attack...Tankra said:
And the city wasn't captured, just destroyed.
Out of game diplomacy is fine imo.Mîtiu Ioan said:
My message basically explained that a war between us is in neither of our interests as we're both already falling behind the others. Unfortunately it seems you don't agree, so war it will be though it will cause us to both lose this game.
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Mîtiu Ioan
Deity
Espírito;11413192 said:
I should admit that I was also surprised by the result of the second-turn battle ! Actually I expected to lose the chariot to defending axeman - after all it has only 2,2 HP instead of 4 so even it gains enough experience to being promoted to Shock still expected to lose it - but to inflict enough damage to raze the city after with supporting archer. Somehow the odds works in my favor better than expected ...
I launched the attack after I spot your spearman at 2-moves from the city otherwise my plan was anyway to declare war - and to occupy the hill behind your city ( the one with road to your others cities ) while waiting for more chariot(s) to come as reinforcements.
But I was forced to try a desperate move in such circumstance ... if I'd lose the initial battle I'd be ayway in deep and almost out of the game ( read below why ).
I agree with the underlined part.
But I will disclose why I purely and simply I can't let you found & hold that city - as long as other players will not be able to use this info anyway and for the moment I managed to fulfill my objectives. And as long as you are currently researching Iron Working ( thanks to my ZKVD for this info !
) it's likely that you also have no clue on true reasons of my strong motivation - but I'll provide you a ( very ) important information : the city which I just razed almost prevent me to get access to the only "somehow-available" metal-resource which I spotted ... 
And without metal I'd lose the game anyway quite soon - especially on a small pangeea map.
Tankra
Warlord
Mîtiu Ioan;11413228 said:
Well, I don't know about that. Horses are pretty powerful, and Ì'm sure there's still room for you to expand and possibly find more. But the fact of the matter is, horse archers are totally still a viable option. While your offensive power would be reduced if your neighbor knew that all you have is horses and then built a bunch of spears, the fact is that spears suck. HA can still dispose of them quite easily, and you sure as hell can't take a city with a spearman. You'd be OK, at least defensively, until someone gets pikes or elephants, at which point you'd have to find something else to do. More importantly, though, I think Espirito might be right; you're fighting a war with him that can't bring you any real gains. For the sake of this game in general, I urge you to discuss alternatives with him.
Cause if you guys both fall behind and lose interest, the game is pretty much dead.
Espírito
Civ Addict
That's a bit more understandable at least... but by destroying my city don't you think will annoy me enough that I won't allow you to connect up the resource?Mîtiu Ioan;11413228 said:But I will disclose why I purely and simply I can't let you found & hold that city - as long as other players will not be able to use this info anyway and for the moment I managed to fulfill my objectives. And as long as you are currently researching Iron Working ( thanks to my ZKVD for this info !
And without metal I'd lose the game anyway quite soon - especially on a small pangeea map.
I won't lose interest. Revenge is a powerful motivator ;-)Tankra said:
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Mîtiu Ioan
Deity
I'll take this risk ...
Anyway - where is the save now ?
Tankra
Warlord
Yeah, unfortunately Etienne has it and he's apparently too swamped with work to be able to play the PBEM before at least saturday.
Patience is thus needed.
Patience is thus needed.
Tankra
Warlord
Got it now. GPS.
Oh and someone got a great general. That's pretty chill. My guess is on Gareth. Am I right?
Oh and someone got a great general. That's pretty chill. My guess is on Gareth. Am I right?
Mîtiu Ioan
Deity
Tankra
Warlord
Then my second guess is Etienne, because he had a fair amount of fights in his borders (which gives you more GG points). If it's Etienne's, I surmise bad things are happening in the land of Egypt.
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