Alexandre92
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Do you have a list of soundtracks, that were added to DoC? Want to find one, that was on, while I was playing for India.
The Music Thread
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freethink
King
I think currently that music for antiquity is neglected with only the generic 'ancient' music from the game and some packaged bts mods being included. While I realize the need for a softer ambient music I think the cultural flavor provided by some of the following tracks is worth including.
The 'Ancient Music' should be designed to mostly include pieces from the Classical Mediterranean, Mid-East as well as certain pieces meant to reflect Ancient Northern Europe.
Some of these pieces are composed, however I think the game's soundtrack as a whole should put a greater emphasis on authentic music (that is if not using historical documents at least using historical instruments) for game play immersion.
Here are two tracks that were made by the Musica Romana group which emphasized on recreating Ancient Roman Music as realistic as possible. Together they last for about six minuets
The Following soundtrack is from Prehistoric Ireland a group which focuses on music from Ireland's Bronze Age, most of this in fact a little jarring for a game but was included in Europa Barbaroum a Rome Total War Mod. The following song is to the best of my knowledge depicting a spiritual ritual. This one goes on for about 90 seconds.
The following songs here, was made by a composer called the Persian Cataphract which would best represent the music of Babylon and the Archimedes Empire. These go on for about 5 minuets collectively
- Sacred Lake Gazca
This track here are excerpts from the Hurrian Hymn which is the oldest surviving recorded music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4izrFUISZw4.
This is about 3 minuets
The following music is reconstructed music of an old-greek festival, this is about three minuets. This is from the The Ensemble de Organographia which strives to create authentic music of the ancient Greek, Sumerian and Egyptian Civilizations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DISMbiJByw0
From the same group is also a reconstructed Egyptian Melody which goes on for about a minuet and a half
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBmWXmn11YE
This is a samplier here of music from Rome, Greece, Egypt, Persia, Sumeria and the Old-Celts. Approximately these tracks together would go on for twenty minuets, I think that is a little longer than the existing ancient tracks put together. Certainly if one wanted this complication could be a little longer a few could be added.but this should work for atleast the normal game speed.
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Writing about this also makes me think about geographical areas that have no musical coverage in DOC, including Native America, Africa and Central Asia. However I think they would need a different post and an different era.
The 'Ancient Music' should be designed to mostly include pieces from the Classical Mediterranean, Mid-East as well as certain pieces meant to reflect Ancient Northern Europe.
Some of these pieces are composed, however I think the game's soundtrack as a whole should put a greater emphasis on authentic music (that is if not using historical documents at least using historical instruments) for game play immersion.
Here are two tracks that were made by the Musica Romana group which emphasized on recreating Ancient Roman Music as realistic as possible. Together they last for about six minuets
The Following soundtrack is from Prehistoric Ireland a group which focuses on music from Ireland's Bronze Age, most of this in fact a little jarring for a game but was included in Europa Barbaroum a Rome Total War Mod. The following song is to the best of my knowledge depicting a spiritual ritual. This one goes on for about 90 seconds.
The following songs here, was made by a composer called the Persian Cataphract which would best represent the music of Babylon and the Archimedes Empire. These go on for about 5 minuets collectively
This track here are excerpts from the Hurrian Hymn which is the oldest surviving recorded music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4izrFUISZw4.
This is about 3 minuets
The following music is reconstructed music of an old-greek festival, this is about three minuets. This is from the The Ensemble de Organographia which strives to create authentic music of the ancient Greek, Sumerian and Egyptian Civilizations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DISMbiJByw0
From the same group is also a reconstructed Egyptian Melody which goes on for about a minuet and a half
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBmWXmn11YE
This is a samplier here of music from Rome, Greece, Egypt, Persia, Sumeria and the Old-Celts. Approximately these tracks together would go on for twenty minuets, I think that is a little longer than the existing ancient tracks put together. Certainly if one wanted this complication could be a little longer a few could be added.but this should work for atleast the normal game speed.
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Writing about this also makes me think about geographical areas that have no musical coverage in DOC, including Native America, Africa and Central Asia. However I think they would need a different post and an different era.
freethink
King
I appreciate that 
! I remember looking up the Civ II soundtrack up before, and I see what you mean, like a rolling ambience in some places.
! I remember looking up the Civ II soundtrack up before, and I see what you mean, like a rolling ambience in some places.Never expected to see post-tonal music suggested here! I’m having music theory class flashbacks...
Anyway, what about some jazz or related genres (bossa nova, fusion, etc) for the Global Age for American civs? It’s easy to find smaller ensembles in that type of music. I’ll look for links later
AtlantaMarty
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Please, no post-tonal music. I'd rather the soundtrack switch over to jazz or ragtime or something along those lines in the 20th century anyway - classical music isn't exactly the best representation of that era.
How's this for Industrial Era Chinese music?
freethink
King
@LorethSo its quite civ appropriate ,
Do you know to change the music files? I know one can download whatever they like and choose the folder but I wonder if we could try to test how it feels with game play
@cmakk1012,
That would change alot of the modern music and it would be more people, and populist oriented than the existing music. The existing music mostly makes one think of the ruling class or upper middle class specialists and creative artists. I wonder if this could be integrated with existing music.
,Do you know to change the music files? I know one can download whatever they like and choose the folder but I wonder if we could try to test how it feels with game play
@cmakk1012,
That would change alot of the modern music and it would be more people, and populist oriented than the existing music. The existing music mostly makes one think of the ruling class or upper middle class specialists and creative artists. I wonder if this could be integrated with existing music.
Audio2DScripts.xml
These are really cool. I kinda like the Classical era soundtrack as it is, even if it's largely anachronistic, but having more authentic ancient music would be very nice.
My personal opinion is that it's better to stick to classical music, for reasons of artistic unity and minimizing the (inevitable) disagreements over what constitutes "representative music" for an era.
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Although I haven't posted in this thread in a while, I have actually been working a little bit on the Global Era soundtrack I suggested. So far I have collected and put in the game 15 tracks, all of which are at least in the public domain in some parts of the world, or released under creative commons licenses. Here's the list:
Ravel
Daphnis et Chloé, suite no 2 (link)
Rhapsodie espagnole, 4th movement:Feria (link)
String Quartet, 1st movement (link for all movements)
String Quartet, 2nd movement
String Quartet, 3rd movement
String Quartet, 4th movement
Piano Concerto, 1st movement (link)
Debussy
Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune (link)
La mer, 1st movement (link for all movements)
La mer, 2nd movement
La mer, 3rd movement
Holst
The Planets, Mars (link)
The Planets, Venus (link)
Gershwin
Rhapsody in Blue (link)
Variations on 'I Got Rhythm' (link)
It's a work in progress. I haven't had the time to playtest the soundtrack very much, so I haven't even heard them all from in-game. From those that I did, I think some work well and some less well. And I need to edit out the applause from some of them.
Nonetheless, if you want to try it, it's available on my GitHub fork. You don't need to redownload the mod: just get the Assets/Sounds/Soundtrack/Modern folder from my link, and replace the following three XML files with my versions: Audio2DScripts.xml, AudioDefines.xml, and CIV4EraInfos.xml. I'd be interested to hear your impressions.
These are really cool. I kinda like the Classical era soundtrack as it is, even if it's largely anachronistic, but having more authentic ancient music would be very nice.
My personal opinion is that it's better to stick to classical music, for reasons of artistic unity and minimizing the (inevitable) disagreements over what constitutes "representative music" for an era.
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Although I haven't posted in this thread in a while, I have actually been working a little bit on the Global Era soundtrack I suggested. So far I have collected and put in the game 15 tracks, all of which are at least in the public domain in some parts of the world, or released under creative commons licenses. Here's the list:
Ravel
Daphnis et Chloé, suite no 2 (link)
Rhapsodie espagnole, 4th movement:Feria (link)
String Quartet, 1st movement (link for all movements)
String Quartet, 2nd movement
String Quartet, 3rd movement
String Quartet, 4th movement
Piano Concerto, 1st movement (link)
Debussy
Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune (link)
La mer, 1st movement (link for all movements)
La mer, 2nd movement
La mer, 3rd movement
Holst
The Planets, Mars (link)
The Planets, Venus (link)
Gershwin
Rhapsody in Blue (link)
Variations on 'I Got Rhythm' (link)
It's a work in progress. I haven't had the time to playtest the soundtrack very much, so I haven't even heard them all from in-game. From those that I did, I think some work well and some less well. And I need to edit out the applause from some of them.
Nonetheless, if you want to try it, it's available on my GitHub fork. You don't need to redownload the mod: just get the Assets/Sounds/Soundtrack/Modern folder from my link, and replace the following three XML files with my versions: Audio2DScripts.xml, AudioDefines.xml, and CIV4EraInfos.xml. I'd be interested to hear your impressions.
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AtlantaMarty
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We already use a lot of non-classical music (i.e. ethnic or ancient sounding music)
If we don't extend classical music back into the Ancient Era, why should we extend it forward into the Modern Era
IMHO, the best music for the late 19th-early 20th century would be ragtime, marching band, jazz, and blues.
Some lighter pop/rock (instrumental, obviously) stuff can be used for the second half of the 20th century.
I agree about the coherent music, but it can be an issue in the Global era because the general trend of classical music of the 20th and 21st centuries has been away from that of previous musical periods. For instance, it would be reasonable and even logical from a historical perspective to include twelve tone music, but from a coherency perspective it would be disastrous!
freethink
King
Than some sort of compromise should be made, choosing softer pieces which are historically based but are still game play compatible, avoid songs which have too strong/extreme of notes.
However, the classical music from all the eras while it does have continuity could use adjustment. As it stands the music almost becomes irrelevant in my opinion because many songs blend in with each other, through the eras. As if the current music tells the story of the leaders of civ, rather than the majority of people that live in these eras.
Also- the addition of new music does not mean everything old has to be removed, either. Again there should be some compromise.
In response to Bobby with the exception of medieval religious for South Asia and the Middle East the tracks for the existing music is classical rather than non classical. I think this is where we should add creativity where the in-game music especially doesn't characterize the era- which I think is the case of the clasical music.
I did like your Chinese music, however I think splitting large songs into pieces is good for the track. After doing some searching I found a short clip of 19th century Chinese music which was in the spirit of what you were trying to get at.
However I think we can adjust and add to the music while not losing the entire picture.
However, the classical music from all the eras while it does have continuity could use adjustment. As it stands the music almost becomes irrelevant in my opinion because many songs blend in with each other, through the eras. As if the current music tells the story of the leaders of civ, rather than the majority of people that live in these eras.
Also- the addition of new music does not mean everything old has to be removed, either. Again there should be some compromise.
In response to Bobby with the exception of medieval religious for South Asia and the Middle East the tracks for the existing music is classical rather than non classical. I think this is where we should add creativity where the in-game music especially doesn't characterize the era- which I think is the case of the clasical music.
I did like your Chinese music, however I think splitting large songs into pieces is good for the track. After doing some searching I found a short clip of 19th century Chinese music which was in the spirit of what you were trying to get at.
However I think we can adjust and add to the music while not losing the entire picture.
I suppose people have different goals for this. The goal I had in mind when creating this thread was not a complete overhaul of the soundtrack, but rather fixing one hole (the early 20th century) in the already excellent default soundtrack. Since the soundtrack (for Western civs) already uses exclusively classical music from the Middle Ages to the Digital era, I don't see any reason to deviate from that.
...unless you actually want to propose a full overhaul of the soundtrack. But that would be, it seems to me, a lot more work for little gain.
...unless you actually want to propose a full overhaul of the soundtrack. But that would be, it seems to me, a lot more work for little gain.
AtlantaMarty
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That's why I'm not proposing adding "Billie Jean" to the modern era soundtrack, but I think there are types of music like ragtime or jazz that are appropriate for the 20th century, but still close enough to classical music that they won't stick out like a sore thumb.
freethink
King
All of the discussion about releasing 1.16 gets me thinking about this again.
I realize Steb's posts was months ago but I like his suggestions for the global era
I would like to make an XML document for Classical/Ancient Music, but I am not sure how to go about it.
I realize Steb's posts was months ago but I like his suggestions for the global era
I would like to make an XML document for Classical/Ancient Music, but I am not sure how to go about it.
freethink
King
I also have some ideas for additions to the East Asian Soundtrack, as well as a Pre-Colmobian package which would combine some authentic soundtracks from Colonization II with some recreated MeasoAmerican music. Ideally native Americans would retain their music until they converted to a religion.
I have thought about an African package as well.. the problem with that is that I could see that disrupting the religion based soundtrack system as Sub Saharan African nations are Catholic, Orthodox, or Muslim.
East Asian Proposals
Specifically I like Hachidan here soft on the ears. Haro no Umi combines Koto and flute, but is a little long, it could be potentially spliced into a smaller part
Tamuke or Azuma Jishi as a flute piece, Azuma Jishi is more animated and almost feels orchestra like.
There is also the original Rokudan no Shirabe
The General's Mandate, as an all encompassing piece of Classical Chinese music using, drums, pipas and flute
As well as Lyrics on Autumn Wind (it actually has no singing)
I also have to recommend this song Tea Harvest as well as Picking Flowers also used in Rhyes and fall of Asia, it is amazingly cheerful
As we have discussed on other threads (I think) about using the Voyager Golden Records as a wonder here is a recorded Flowing Water.
Another Pipa piece I would recommend would be The Dance of the Yi People
Reverently and Jungjung Mori while both were composed in the 20th century, the late artist Hwang Byungki was renowned for his work on preserving Classical Korean Music.
Chinges Khannii Magtall while I know Loreath said he did not like songs with singing I would ask that an exception would be made here.
From this list I tried to choose both authentic as well as pleasing tracks, please give opinions.
I have thought about an African package as well.. the problem with that is that I could see that disrupting the religion based soundtrack system as Sub Saharan African nations are Catholic, Orthodox, or Muslim.
East Asian Proposals
Tamuke or Azuma Jishi as a flute piece, Azuma Jishi is more animated and almost feels orchestra like.
There is also the original Rokudan no Shirabe
The General's Mandate, as an all encompassing piece of Classical Chinese music using, drums, pipas and flute
As well as Lyrics on Autumn Wind (it actually has no singing)
I also have to recommend this song Tea Harvest as well as Picking Flowers also used in Rhyes and fall of Asia, it is amazingly cheerful
As we have discussed on other threads (I think) about using the Voyager Golden Records as a wonder here is a recorded Flowing Water.
Another Pipa piece I would recommend would be The Dance of the Yi People
Reverently and Jungjung Mori while both were composed in the 20th century, the late artist Hwang Byungki was renowned for his work on preserving Classical Korean Music.
Chinges Khannii Magtall while I know Loreath said he did not like songs with singing I would ask that an exception would be made here.
From this list I tried to choose both authentic as well as pleasing tracks, please give opinions.
freethink
King
Pre Colombian Music
This is not so easy to put together, and I am unsure of the appropriateness of some of these songs are for RFC, however please give them a listen. I think they do give an ambiance for measoamerican campaigns
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Listen to song from 16:30 to about 20:00
4. This particular song I think is not entirely authentic, but should be friendly to the ears of players
Some others are from Colonization II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDJ5SKPTuFc&list=PLC6EEcpJoxItYADfsLT4nzRIPH_sH1D5h&index=14
the below include singing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hZ1NBx-kUo&list=PLC6EEcpJoxItYADfsLT4nzRIPH_sH1D5h&index=16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5TKuXaWCCo&index=4&list=PLC6EEcpJoxItYADfsLT4nzRIPH_sH1D5h
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEPH-vTBAeo&index=15&list=PLC6EEcpJoxItYADfsLT4nzRIPH_sH1D5h (possibly one of the best)
Thanks for taking the time to listen and consider, criticism is appreciated.
This is not so easy to put together, and I am unsure of the appropriateness of some of these songs are for RFC, however please give them a listen. I think they do give an ambiance for measoamerican campaigns
1.
4. This particular song I think is not entirely authentic, but should be friendly to the ears of players
Some others are from Colonization II
the below include singing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hZ1NBx-kUo&list=PLC6EEcpJoxItYADfsLT4nzRIPH_sH1D5h&index=16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5TKuXaWCCo&index=4&list=PLC6EEcpJoxItYADfsLT4nzRIPH_sH1D5h
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEPH-vTBAeo&index=15&list=PLC6EEcpJoxItYADfsLT4nzRIPH_sH1D5h (possibly one of the best)
Thanks for taking the time to listen and consider, criticism is appreciated.
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