The Netherlands - new playable civ!

[GeoModder]

After the heroic Battle of the Golden Spurs (Guldensporenslag, July 11th 1302), Flanders was independent for two years. After the stalemate battle of Pevelenberg in 1304, Flanders was forced to rejoin the French empire. They had an extended form of autonomy, but they were subject to French rule.

Anyway, be it 2 years or 25, it still doesn't qualify for me te be a full-worth civilization.

Mmm, linkie to that "being forced" info? Just did a quick check myself and according to that info Flanders joined the Bourgundian empire by marriage in the 1380's.
I know of the 1304 battle, but info I read about it in the past only was about the battle itself, not about the political cloud afterwards.

Edit: nevermind, think I found it. Although according to the source independency was still more or less maintained till the Burgundian era.

 

[Hyronymus]

I'm still using this mod but I have a question concerning the Custom Assets folder. Is it possible to put the required files for a civilization (like The Netherlands) in the Custom Assets folder, keeping Civ from restarting itself everytime I want to play as the Dutch.

 

[azuil]

have you tried double-clicking (opening) the .Civ4SavedGame file?

at here it just opens the saved game including the mods directly...

 

[Hyronymus]

have you tried double-clicking (opening) the .Civ4SavedGame file?

at here it just opens the saved game including the mods directly...

No, I haven't and I'll try it but what if I want to start a new game . Then I still need to load the mod in a seperate 'run'.

 

[gusi]

I don't see why Flanders shouldn't be a unique civ. It is only a game.

I agree with the Geuzen as the dutch unique unit though.

Alternatives could be a merchant (A type of missionary who travels to foreign cities and generates money or science, like a miniature great leader)

Or a "shipping monopoly" national wonder that skims money of all the other players trade routes.


If someone builds a vatican civ they could have the Swiss Mercenary. (although a some sort of super missionary would be more appropriate and could give a whole new dimension to game play).

 

[dutchfire]

why are al those dutch and belgian people here talking english???

 

[azuil]

Because it's an english forum

 

[GeoModder]

why are al those dutch and belgian people here talking english???

Didn't you know? A full third of the Belgians doesn't speak dutch.

 

[Renaissance]

I tried this wonderful dutch mod (v1.06), but there were a few problems, in order of significance:

1) flags show up as black (does anyone else has this, or is this better in previous versions?)

2) all dutch citynames should be in dutch, I think. I just would like that better.

3) about the special unit, another idea. I liked the indians with their fast worker, maybe the dutch should have an engineer of some sort, which makes improvements faster than others. Dutch engineers haven shaped the environments like no other civ on earth and their knowledge has been used all over the world, especially in Japan.

4) Belgium could be another nation, but it is just a very young one. As the republic of united provinces, the dutch speaking part must be included, especially because of the leaders, which are also from this period. Brussel(s) is on the border, and has shared the capital function with Den Haag for several years!!

Anyway lovely mod, but the thing with the black flag is most irritating. Does anyone has a solution for this???

 

[bielski]

First let me say I enjoy this Mod very much

The thing with the black flag happens to me too when I use this Mod (I don't mind, but I can relate to you R.). The strange thing is when I use the Dutch Mod embedded into the SuperCiv Mod, which can be found http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=141855&highlight=SuperCiv the flag is the right color (Orange). Don't ask me why, but I think it is one the older versions in the Mod. So now I only use this Superciv Mod when I want to play the Dutch

 

[Renaissance]

First let me say I enjoy this Mod very much

The thing with the black flag happens to me too when I use this Mod (I don't mind, but I can relate to you R.). The strange thing is when I use the Dutch Mod embedded into the SuperCiv Mod, which can be found http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=141855&highlight=SuperCiv the flag is the right color (Orange). Don't ask me why, but I think it is one the older versions in the Mod. So now I only use this Superciv Mod when I want to play the Dutch

Thanks!!!! I am going to give it a try!!

 

[theron]

I tried this wonderful dutch mod (v1.06), but there were a few problems, in order of significance:

1) flags show up as black (does anyone else has this, or is this better in previous versions?)

...

Anyway lovely mod, but the thing with the black flag is most irritating. Does anyone has a solution for this???

I got the black flag, too. Seems that the newest version failed to include the Dutch_Flag_005.dds art file in the download file, if you add it to the ..assets\art\Interface\TeamColor\ folder your Netherlands files are in, it works.

View attachment Dutch_Flag_005.zip

 

[Scareface]

Hallo everybody...
got a slight problem here.

i tried to download the Netherlands civ but it dont work.
i get a new window wich says "File gone, please try later..."
what can i do to get this file?????

i can download other civs but this one wont work...

Please help...

thank you

 

[Campaco]

Nice work,

I didn't get far yet with my first game, but I already can remind you that 'The Hague' should be spelled with two capitals. 'The hague' looks just ugly! Even then, 'Den Haag' would be preferable. (I also hate Marseilles, Rheims, Nuremberg, where the original names are Marseille, Reims, Nürnberg - why do they keep these names in for four generations of the game?)

I just hope the other Dutch city names won't turn out to be unbalanced like in Conquests, where it was obvious some northerner had influenced the list... I mean, putting small villages like Holwerd on the list and skipping larger communities from other provinces is quite nationalistic on a small scale.

 

[Renaissance]

Nice work,

I didn't get far yet with my first game, but I already can remind you that 'The Hague' should be spelled with two capitals. 'The hague' looks just ugly! Even then, 'Den Haag' would be preferable. (I also hate Marseilles, Rheims, Nuremberg, where the original names are Marseille, Reims, Nürnberg - why do they keep these names in for four generations of the game?)

I just hope the other Dutch city names won't turn out to be unbalanced like in Conquests, where it was obvious some northerner had influenced the list... I mean, putting small villages like Holwerd on the list and skipping larger communities from other provinces is quite nationalistic on a small scale.

I comletely agree with your post. The citynames are more balanced than in conquests, but I think that, also because there is less tendency towards many cities, some names could be better included than others. Heereveen is included but not Leeuwarden, or before Leeuwarden (I haven't seen that one yet) Another problem is that historical important cities like Breda, Delft (oranjesteden), Den Bosch, Leiden to name a few (maybe they are in it but I haven't seen them yet, seem to be unsignificant. Anyway because the few first cities are most important, the Randstad is the personification (does this word excist in english?) of the Netherlands.

But a lot better than qonquests I might say

 

[anjf]

Nice work,

I didn't get far yet with my first game, but I already can remind you that 'The Hague' should be spelled with two capitals. 'The hague' looks just ugly! Even then, 'Den Haag' would be preferable. (I also hate Marseilles, Rheims, Nuremberg, where the original names are Marseille, Reims, Nürnberg - why do they keep these names in for four generations of the game?)

I just hope the other Dutch city names won't turn out to be unbalanced like in Conquests, where it was obvious some northerner had influenced the list... I mean, putting small villages like Holwerd on the list and skipping larger communities from other provinces is quite nationalistic on a small scale.

I agree, well said! That The hague also bothered me

 

[Effix]

Below is an adjusted city list, ofcourse you can take out anything you don't like. This is loosely based on a list of when cities got their city status.
By the way: Putting Dutch_Flag_005.dds in Civilization 4\Mods\Netherlands\Assets\Art\Interface\TeamColor successfully fixes the black flag.
Thanks for the great mod, hail William of Oranje!

<Cities>
<City>Amsterdam</City>
<City>Den Haag</City>
<City>Deventer</City>
<City>Groningen</City>
<City>Utrecht</City>
<City>Zutphen</City>
<City>Den Bosch</City>
<City>Maastricht</City>
<City>Middelburg</City>
<City>Dordrecht</City>
<City>Nijmegen</City>
<City>Zwolle</City>
<City>Doetinchem</City>
<City>Harderwijk</City>
<City>Roermond</City>
<City>Eindhoven</City>
<City>Arnhem</City>
<City>Sittard</City>
<City>Haarlem</City>
<City>Delft</City>
<City>Breda</City>
<City>Alkmaar</City>
<City>Amersfoort</City>
<City>Wageningen</City>
<City>Leiden</City>
<City>Bergen op Zoom</City>
<City>Gouda</City>
<City>Leeuwarden</City>
<City>Wijk bij Duurstede</City>
<City>Vlissingen</City>
<City>Enschede</City>
<City>Rotterdam</City>
<City>Venlo</City>
<City>Helmond</City>
<City>Enkhuizen</City>
<City>Weesp</City>
<City>Hoorn</City>
<City>Rhenen</City>
<City>Gennep</City>
<City>Almelo</City>
<City>Noordwijk</City>
<City>Oss</City>
<City>Goes</City>
<City>Leerdam</City>
<City>Weert</City>
<City>Valkenburg</City>
<City>Sneek</City>
<City>Zevenaar</City>
<City>Assen</City>
<City>Terneuzen</City>
<City>Meppel</City>
<City>Tilburg</City>
<City>Maassluis</City>
<City>Zaandam</City>
<City>Winschoten</City>
<City>Delfzijl</City>
<City>Harlingen</City>
<City>Hilversum</City>
<City>Roosendaal</City>
</Cities>

 

[anjf]

Thanks for the great mod, hail William of Oranje!
</Cities>

Let me guesse you are Dutch and you are nationalistic??

What would you say if I would say hail Balthasar Gerardts and Fillips II?

Anyway I think the lists of cities is quite good but perhapse a few adjustments for the order in which they are standing.

 

[Effix]

Just edit the list however you like, this is just something to work with...

Haha, go ahaid and say 'hail Balthasar Gerardts', I don't mind, I'm far from nationalistic.

 

[Bentep]

Hello,

The dutch civ works fine. Only the dutch flag stays black instead of orange like the example.

Does anybody know how i can get a orange flag with black lion?