The NHS

[ComradeDavo]

Stop all pointless* operatons, after the age of 18,or they pay 50% towards the operation.
Free life saving operations.
No operations what so ever if the operation is to counter any thing which is smoking related.
People which are curtianly going to die that and that have a limited life(can't move without aid)

*complex operartions which don't save a live

No offence, but i'm sure sure your really qualified to talk about which operations should and shouldn't be perfomed.

 

[Joe Harker]

Stop all pointless* operatons, after the age of 18,or they pay 50% towards the operation.
Free life saving operations.
No operations what so ever if the operation is to counter any thing which is smoking related.
People which are curtianly going to die that and that have a limited life(can't move without aid)

*complex operartions which don't save a live

What about reconstructive surgery after an accident, I will need it up to my late 20s, to you suggest that I now can't have any ops because they are "pointless"?

 

[GinandTonic]

Stop all pointless* operatons, after the age of 18,or they pay 50% towards the operation.
Free life saving operations.
No operations what so ever if the operation is to counter any thing which is smoking related.
People which are curtianly going to die that and that have a limited life(can't move without aid)

*complex operartions which don't save a live

Ciggie taxes pay many times over for the cost of treatment. The smokers should go right to the frount of the que, and get the-master-returning-to-the-plantation reception.

Do you ealise that mobility related operations are the most cost effective in terms of quality of life/ time/ cost? Hip replacements are by almost any standard the most justfiable operations. Setting aside the quality of life issue they are cheap and flat out save the health service money over palliative care, not to mention the associated social care costs. If a hip op alone kept an OAP out of a nursing home for two or three months it would save money.

Mate of mine broke his leg very badly, powdered a section of bone. You dont think that should be treated? If he had the leg off (which was on the cards) and spent the rest of his life on incapacity benefit, paying no taxes etc you think that would save the country money?

Silly post. Reads like the editorial of the Sun, and about as well though out.

 

[Bad Player]

Woa! You want to pay for the NHS by creating a whole raft of other medical problems?

How would that create problems? People already smoke weed. Legalising it would take the money out of the hands of the dealers and into government coffers, whilst generating jobs.

If you are reffering to pyhscoligical aspects, well firstly there is no fool proof evidence og weed actually causing any harm, and what sketchy evidence tehre is applies to he strong types of weed, and of course regulation of what could be sold would mean taht the government could control the strength of the weed and ensure that none of the really strong types were on sale.

people commit crime, it dosn't mean it should be legalised. A lot more people would start using it (which, lets face it, would mean smoking it) if the governent decriminalised it.



Regarding psycholoical aspects, I am not familier with evidence either way, but what I do know is this, it's addictive (and its combined with nicotine) and of the three people I know who smoked it regularly 1) friend from school, became very overweight (the 'munchies') and very paranoid 2) girl at college I knew, became very paranoid and needed psychiatric treatment for schizophrenia and 3) my cousin, serious user, hugely overweight. So okay, might be all correlation but having known these people I don't think so...

Secondly, and I think you'll agree that most people consume cannabis as joints, so there would be an increase of smoking related illness particularly so as one sucks harder on a joint and holds the smoke in longer than for a conventional cigarette.

Alex is right that a minority of users will develop these kinds of problems. I think it's a safe bet that smoking marijuana would cause lung cancer.

If marijuana was legalised would the amount used increase? If so then you are creating more health problems, if not then perhaps it might work legalising it (although I suspect usage would increase).

 

[Bad Player]

Ciggie taxes pay many times over for the cost of treatment. The smokers should go right to the frount of the que, and get the-master-returning-to-the-plantation reception.

Australian Government Budget Paper 05-06 estimates excise revenue from tobacco at ~$5.3 billion ('05-'06) compared to the social cost of $21 billion per year (Department of health and aging). Australia even takes approximately 2/3 of the total retail price as tax and we still aren't even breaking even!!!

 

[ComradeDavo]

Alex is right that a minority of users will develop these kinds of problems. I think it's a safe bet that smoking marijuana would cause lung cancer.

If marijuana was legalised would the amount used increase? If so then you are creating more health problems, if not then perhaps it might work legalising it (although I suspect usage would increase).

Look, i'll say this in big bold letters: ALCOHOL CAUSES FAR MORE HEALTH PROBLEMS THAN MARAJUANA DOES. Either ban alcohol or legalise weed. In fact...poll coming.

edit - i've made a new thread, so lets talk about weed there instead.

 

[Sidhe]

The NHS is the largest employer in the UK, it is a little over 1% of it's budget in debt, it also is ranked no8 in the world for health care, bang for buck, it has it's problems but it isn't actually doing that badly. I agree with Hotpoint it's the jumping through hoops thing that is really annoying. Just let it go.

My hospital is 16 million in debt atm, it sucks as you can't find another job in a hospital with nigh on 3000 employees as there are only something like 4 jobs per month advertised. Everyone's worried about job cuts, and on top of that it looks like I might be fired anyway at the moment for daring to have asthma.

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

The NHS is the largest employer in the UK, it is a little over 1% of it's budget in debt, it also is ranked no8 in the world for health care, bang for buck, it has it's problems but it isn't actually doing that badly. I agree with Hotpoint it's the jumping through hoops thing that is really annoying. Just let it go.

My hospital is 16 million in debt atm, it sucks as you can't find another job in a hospital with nigh on 3000 employees as there are only something like 4 jobs per month advertised. Everyone's worried about job cuts, and on top of that it looks like I might be fired anyway at the moment for daring to have asthma.

NHS is the largest employer in Europe, not just the UK.

 

[Sophie 378]

A bit late now, but I'd just like to point out for any UK members with some spare time on their hands: today is a national "save the NHS" protest day. Make a silly placard and go to your local hospital, join the small groups of slightly bored and embarrassed people protesting against cuts and closures to local services, and the creeping privatisation.

 

[Bad Player]

I hope they provide free braces to the POMs!


Also cosmetic surgery for the women.

 

[Sidhe]

A bit late now, but I'd just like to point out for any UK members with some spare time on their hands: today is a national "save the NHS" protest day. Make a silly placard and go to your local hospital, join the small groups of slightly bored and embarrassed people protesting against cuts and closures to local services, and the creeping privatisation.

No way I'm not going into work on a Saturday, I get enough of that place in the week

Can I make a placard and wave it out of the window? Because I have a date with a pub at around 6-7 o'clock and it normally takes 3 hours to get to work and back?

We had our protest about a month ago anyway, I'm not sure there is one today? I didn't hear anything about it at work and you normally do?

 

[Sophie 378]

NHS Support Federation says it's today. There's a list of what's on where if you scroll down that page. To be fair, I only found it from the "save our local hospital" website (www.pembswat.co.uk) and then some Googling.

 

[Sidhe]

NHS Support Federation says it's today. There's a list of what's on where if you scroll down that page. To be fair, I only found it from the "save our local hospital" website (www.pembswat.co.uk) and then some Googling.

Lymingtons closest, hmm that'll put another hour by bus on the train journey, That'd be four hours there and back: sorry the pub must be obeyed; saying that though, we did one at RSH last moth so if that counts as fighting the power? Solidarity though. In spirit.

 

[Joe Harker]

Sidhe, good on you, the NHS has it's problems, but hey everything does so stop complaining,