The Only Republican Plan Is To Destroy Democrats, Not Solve Problems

My only thought is that...

OP, it took you this long to notice? I knew that this was their strategy before they had made it, based solely on my pessimistic and cynical ideas of how government works.

Ah, what a joy it is to see oneself proven right.
 
My two cents:

Mobby isn't correct to portray current Republican attempts at construction with past attempts by either party. The number of holds, filibusters, etc. put on by the minority party during the 111st Congress doesn't have any precedent, being about double that of the last congress. One could argue that this is a matter of degree, but I think it's obvious that we're talking about whole different weight classes here.

Now, that doesn't mean that Republicans don't have every right to take this strategic tack, or that they're going to destroy the Republic or something. In all probability, the current dysfunction in Congress will be overlooked in the history books, since Democratic majorities managed to get several major bills passed. At worst, this will just be remembered as another particularly heated era in a long string of such.

Now, as to the wisdom of the current Republican Party's devices: In the short term, it's golden. By rigorously enforcing party discipline, the GOP excites it's base, partially negates the value of Obama's frequent bipartisan gestures. The public general afterall, tends to base it's understanding of what's politically moderate or partisan based on the attitudes of both parties, not the actual policies. So this strategy both consistently wins the daily news cycle for the GOP and most likely pushes up the number of seats it can hope to take in the fall.

However, in the longer term, this strategy isn't likely to work out. The purpose of winning news cycles and seats is afterall, to affect legislation. And if Republicans limit their influence by refusing to get behind any Obama bill, then they have roughly zero influence. You'll recall for example, that Obama was willing to bend over backwards for bipartisan support of his healthcare bill back in the summer. Republicans could easily have taken an already fairly conservative bill, and made it more so. Instead, they had little effect on the process. Sure, the theater surrounding that might have won them maybe an extra five seats, but they simply can't acquire the kind of majorities they need to make any real changes to the bill in the foreseeable future.

Ultimately, from a conservative point of view, the GOP strategy has been a political win and a policy failure.
 
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yep, looks like it set a new record
 
That's just proof that the Dems are proposing a record leftist batch of legislation giving the Republicans no choice but to oppose.
 
Yeah, those leftist ideas that the democrats proposed, stolen directly from the ideas the leftist republicans proposed in the 1990s.

:lol:
 
Not to mention that leftist bailout plan, which the leftist George W. Bush administration proposed and endorsed.

Leftists, every one of them! I'm with ya, JollyRoger!
 
There's nothing more leftist than making it a law that you've got to purchase private, for-profit insurance, and taking taxpayer dollars and using it to prop up private, for-profit companies.

The private sector is crumbling, and it must be the leftists' fault! Surely it wouldn't be all that unregulated financial debauchery that the right wing got rid of laws which would have prevented. It must be those dirty, filthy leftists who dared to use public sector money to help cover the private sector's greedy, high-risk butt.

It was that right-wing Bill Clinton which made the prosperity of the nineties happen. Everything has been great under that Republican president. After all, we have that lovely systemic discrimination against the gays that Slick Willie endorsed. He must have been a social conservative. That would explain all the adultery.
 
More importantly, who hates the United States so much that they would want the Republicans to solve their problems?

Lets not forget, the current mess is the direct result of their implementation of neoconservative philosophy.

So with their complete failure at actually governing, the Republicans have nothing left but go after Democrats.
 
Convince me otherwise, CFC OT! I want to believe that the Republicans can't be this bad!

Yes, the Republicans are that bad. They demonstrate no concern for the country at all. Everything is committed to their winning power so that they can make most Americans worse off. It's all about serving Wall St.
 
I've never been one for extreme partisanship, I think it is bad for the country. But the partisanship has never been this bad before, and while there is debate and disagreement and varying viewpoints within the Democratic party, the Republicans are threatening their members to line up solidly against anything that can score them political points in November or gain contributions from big business.

There's been no good faith negotiation on any matters of reform coming from the Republican party, and the rhetoric coming from the official Republican Party is beyond hyperbolic, divisive, and factually untrue.

Worse, they don't mean a word they say. Recently they propose ideas and vote against them. They campaign and state as their party platform for DECADES certain ideas, and some run for President based on those ideas. When those ideas are suggested by the Democrats to be included in legislation, they won't vote for it. Worse, there have been instances of Republicans calling those same ideas "unconstitutional".

Mitt Romney is one great example. Massachusetts health care endorsed by Romney is more liberal than the kind passed by Congress, but he and his party called it "unconstitutional".

There's no internal consistency. There's no external consistency. There's no principled stance against anything. There is no honesty... it's just been one long campaign tactic since Obama was elected. And the previous election was the most disgusting I've ever seen and the lowest I've seen any political party go in my adult lifetime. What the candidates actually said was bitter, scornful, divisive, not to mention slanderous and factually wrong to a huge degree. I expected better of McCain, who I'd never seen sink so far before.

Before the election I was excited... I was like, well, there's two excellent candidates. Maybe we will have some enlightened discourse and a frank exchange of ideas! McCain used to be the kind of Republican I'd be willing to vote for. I support good moderate candidates and bipartisan exchanges.

Things went downhill when McCain sold out to the ****oo wing of the tea party fringe of the republican right-wing, and picked Palin. The rhetoric and the absurdity has spiraled downhill ever since.

Bush-Kerry wasn't nearly this bad. Bush-Gore wasn't nearly this bad. Sure there were lies and hyperbole, but I remember the rhetoric being much more civilized, and the stances that Bush campaigned on didn't seem nearly this bizarre. Some I strongly disagree with, but still.

I remember that Bush versus McCain was a conservative (Bush) versus a moderate (McCain) battle. But these days it seems like the McCain/Palin/Steele/Boehner Republicans have gone way off the Dick Cheney deep end into tea party wacko and armed militia territory. These folks make Bush look a hell of a lot better, and I never once thought I'd have a worse opinion of a politician than I had of Bush.

Bush's actual policies were bad, but I never heard him refer to his opponent as a socialist, terrorist-lover, or "Nazi" policy supporter ("oh no, I didn't say he was a Nazi, I said he supported policies that the Nazis did. Huge difference.)

There was civility. It went completely gone by the time McCain's team picked Palin. I don't know how much the two might relate to the other, but I have a strong feeling one influenced the other.

Moderate republicans and people who vote Republican are going independent by the droves, and conservative, religious types are flocking to the tea party. The Republican party isn't honest or mainstream enough for moderate Republicans, and it doesn't even follow through on the wacko rhetoric enough to please the fringe movement, so they're going Tea Party.

They will gain seats, but they are shooting themselves in the foot among all principled conservatives and moderates of all stripes. The only people they are winning over are the people who will always vote Republican, no matter what.
 
This is nothing new, the GOP have been obstructionists and the party of no ever since Obama took office.
 
Perhaps you do, MobBoss. Why is it that the GOP has done a 180 on issues whenever Obama decided to agree with them? Once again, I cite tax cuts and expanded drilling. Over 200 Republican amendments were made to HCR, and still they decried it is communist fascist socialist baby-killing Nazism. Stupak forced Obama to make a freakin' executive order preventing the use of federal money for abortions, and was rewarded by a freakin' elected GOP congressman calling him a baby-killer. Has this all passed you by?
 
Both parties are just as bad as each other. Just because one party uses it more does not mean that the other guys are suddenly the good guys.

That's not even remotely close to true. Just over a year ago Bush was in office, and the Democrats were not acting anywhere close to how the Republicans are acting now.
 
That's not even remotely close to true. Just over a year ago Bush was in office, and the Democrats were not acting anywhere close to how the Republicans are acting now.

Actually, they were. The republicans arent doing anything that those same democrats did under Bush.
 
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