The Ottoman Empire

[Pellaken]

This thread was inspired about the "turks" thread. I wanted some place where people could tlak about the Ottoman Empire. its been one of my intrests...

lemme begin:

During its beginings, like in the year 1500 or so, the Ottoman Empire ioncluded most of whats Turkey, and a great portiton of Europe... before its collapse in 1900, it had Turkey, and most of the Middle East... anyone else find this ironic?

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Originally posted by Pellaken
During its beginings, like in the year 1500 or so, the Ottoman Empire ioncluded most of whats Turkey, and a great portiton of Europe... before its collapse in 1900, it had Turkey, and most of the Middle East... anyone else find this ironic?

The Ottomans began their rise to power way before 1500, in the 12-13th centuries AD. In 1453, they conquered Constantinople.

A great proportion of Europe? The Balkans you mean.

Why shld it be ironic? Empires rising and falling are a normal historical pattern. The Ottomans were the last great Mediterranean empire though, in the tradition of the Greek, Roman and Islamic empires.

 

[Pellaken]

here. look at these 2 maps.

 

[sgrig]

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
The Ottomans began their rise to power way before 1500, in the 12-13th centuries AD. In 1453, they conquered Constantinople.

A great proportion of Europe? The Balkans you mean.

Why shld it be ironic? Empires rising and falling are a normal historical pattern. The Ottomans were the last great Mediterranean empire though, in the tradition of the Greek, Roman and Islamic empires.

Balkans is still Europe. In 1500, Ottomans controlled ALL of the Balkans.

I think what he means is ironic that Ottomans lost control of the Balkans but gained all of Middle East between 1500 and 1900, ie were chucked out of Europe!

 

[God]

Ottomans came in the 1400's. The Seljuks were in that area earlier.
Ottomans controlled Balkans for a while. They reduced Hungary to vassal status under Suleiman. From early 1500's to 1800's Ottomans controlled the Balkans.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Originally posted by sgrig
Balkans is still Europe. In 1500, Ottomans controlled ALL of the Balkans.

Yeah but the Balkans hardly qualifies as a great proportion of Europe, as what Pellaken's implying.

 

[Paiktis22]

Interesting tidbit of information: where did the "Balkans" got their name from?

SouthEastern Europe got the name "Balkans" from the Ottomans and it is still being used today.

There is a region (or a mountain) in Bulgaria which is named "Balkan" or something close to it.

The Ottomans used this name to describe the whole region.

After the liberation struggle of the people of the SE Europe the name "Balkans" to describe that region remained

Before the collapse of Constantinople, noone used that name for the SE Europe.

 

[SKILORD]

before its collapse in 1900

The Ottoman Empire Was involved in WW1..... didn't quite survive it but they were in it.

Would've been a better war if Germany hadn't allied itself with Quite frankly, a bunch of losers. Austrias power was declining, The ottomans were on their deathbed. now if that whole Zimmerman thing had worked and Mexico had gotten in on it.... that would've been a war.

 

[Pellaken]

the ottoman empire collapsed in 1919 {or was in 1920} when overthrowen by kemel attaturk. the "or so" from 1500, was, susposta be, carried over to the 1900... I R good not english at.

 

[raven]

Ottoman Empire founded at 1299 and collapsed at 1 Nov. 1922 officially.

They already started to conquer Balkans in 1300s, but their "golden age" starts with conquering of Istanbul in 1453 and lasts until the end of 16. century. (Death of Süleyman)

Ottoman Empire wasn't a major force in WW1, but they played a very important role by preventing English to help Russians so that there became the Bolshevik Revolution. Research Çanakkale War if you're interested.

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by SKILORD
now if that whole Zimmerman thing had worked and Mexico had gotten in on it.... that would've been a war.

Heh, no.

Mexico was in a terrible state at the time. It certainly would not have proved a match for The US, which would have trounced it in any war.

I recall the Zimmerman telegram caused much amusement in Washington.