The Pledge

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Some interesting tidbits on "the pledge", used on many an occasion in the US:

Under God . . . or Not

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Associated Press
Sixth graders in Manhattan reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, 1957.

By BEVERLY GAGE

Published: October 15, 2010

Today’s conservatives often describe themselves as strict constructionists, seeking the “original meaning” of the nation’s founding texts. In the case of the Pledge of Allegiance, a much fetishized if not legally binding document, this approach is unlikely to yield the desired political result. As Jeffrey Owen Jones and Peter Meyer note, the original author of the pledge was a former Christian Socialist minister who hoped to redeem the United States from its class and ethnic antagonisms. Interpretations of its meaning have been growing more conservative, not more liberal, ever since.

The author in question was Francis Bellamy, cousin to the novelist Edward Bellamy, whose “Looking Backward” offered the 19th century’s most popular vision of a future welfare-state utopia. In 1892, after abandoning the ministry, Francis was working at The Youth’s Companion, a mass-market magazine aimed at schoolchildren. For promotional purposes, the magazine planned a national youth pageant to mark the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus’s American landfall. Bellamy was assigned to rally the necessary political support and, at the last minute, to compose a few words appropriate to the occasion. He came up with a statement of what he later called “intelligent patriotism,” designed to counteract some of the nation’s most divisive and reactionary impulses.

His original salute to the flag was just 23 words: “I pledge allegiance to my flag and to the republic for which it stands — one nation indivisible — with liberty and justice for all.” Even so, it contained a subtle political message. Amid the heightened class conflict of the Gilded Age, the phrase “liberty and justice for all” was an idealist’s demand as well as a patriotic affirmation. So, too, was the idea of “one nation indivisible.” Just a generation removed from the Civil War, divided over the new immigrants pouring in from Eastern and Southern Europe, Americans of the era could not take their country’s stability for granted. Bellamy hoped his pledge would bind them together in a celebration of the nation’s traditions — and sell a few magazines along the way.

As Jones and Meyer note, Bellamy himself eventually backed away from his early flirtation with radicalism, emerging by World War I as an advocate of immigration restriction and stringent countersubversion. Much of the nation followed a similar path. In the 1920s, patriotic groups like the American Legion campaigned to change the words “my flag” to “the flag of the United States of America,” anxious that immigrant children might secretly be pledging to the flags of their original homelands. Three decades later, Congress added the words “under God” to distinguish American patriotism from “godless Communism,” thus condemning Bellamy’s high-minded call for national unity to decades of court challenges and contention.
As the pledge grew more restrictive, it also became increasingly mandatory. Today, at least 42 states feature some sort of recitation law, usually aimed at public school children. Politicians on both sides of the aisle pay homage to the pledge as an essential and edifying patriotic rite, advertising their willingness to place hand over heart. (Strict constructionists should note that the original pledge was accompanied by a right-side straight-arm salute, a gesture that mysteriously began to lose popularity in the 1930s.)
Jones and Meyer make a good case that Bellamy’s original pledge was more elegant and rhythmic than today’s clause-laden version. They are less effective in explaining how the former “Youth’s Companion Pledge of Allegiance” evolved from a vaguely progressive one-off promotional spot into a mandatory childhood rite of passage and a political weapon. “The Pledge” often relies on exclamation and enthusiasm in lieu of analysis. (“Only in America!” appears as free-standing commentary.) As a result, the book reads more like an amateur hobbyist’s guide to pledge-related happenings than a fully realized history of American patriotism and national identity.

What “The Pledge” does offer is an enthusiast’s fascination with the odd (if not quite “magical”) string of events that led modern conservatives to adopt the ditty of a 19-century socialist as a 21st-century badge of honor.


Beverly Gage, a history professor at Yale, is writing a biography of J. Edgar Hoover.


THE PLEDGE


A History of the Pledge of Allegiance


By Jeffrey Owen Jones and Peter Meyer
214 pp. Thomas Dunne Books/St. Martin’s Press. $23.99

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/books/review/Gage-t.html?nl=books&emc=booksupdateema3# (registry required)
 
Yep.
Wasn't it also originaly done Heil Hitler salute?

Be glad you don't like here.
"We want things the way they were. Except for the parts we like just fine now."
 
Yep.
Wasn't it also originaly done Heil Hitler salute?
Yeah, there are a lot of images out there of such.

Also, if you had propsed something like a pledge in 1790 I'd wager that most (not all, they are not homogenous) of the FF's would've found it inappropriate. Many didn't even like the idea of a flag and, today, flags the most fetishized of our national symbols.
 
"Strict constructionists should note that the original pledge was accompanied by a right-side straight-arm salute, a gesture that mysteriously began to lose popularity in the 1930s." ;)
 
:blush:I didn't actualy read the article, I just skimmed it......
 
"Strict constructionists should note that the original pledge was accompanied by a right-side straight-arm salute, a gesture that mysteriously began to lose popularity in the 1930s." ;)
Along w/ "Adolph" as a baby name?
 
Also, if you had propsed something like a pledge in 1790 I'd wager that most (not all, they are not homogenous) of the FF's would've found it inappropriate. Many didn't even like the idea of a flag and, today, flags the most fetishized of our national symbols.

Founders who "didn't like the idea of" a flag? That's a new one to me. As far as I know, Congress passed an entirely uncontroversial law creating a flag in 1777. The law was updated in 1794, again without controversy, to go from 13 to 15 stars & stripes.

Were there any particular Founders you're thinking of who didn't like flags? For such a militarized generation, that seems like an odd item to be iconoclastic about.
 
It seems odd not to like a flag at all...I mean a flag does have a purpose even if it is only a symbol. Some sort of simple design is needed to represent a nation for a variety of reasons. I am not sure there has ever been a full fledged nation which didn't consider having a flag.
 
It is strange to see the degree to which the flag (and the pledge) is "fetishized". Coming from a small island nation, nationalism is important, but not that important. Flags are rarely flown outside of houses, only outside of government buildings, and obviously during independence day and other national holidays flags become more frequent. We did however say the pledge of allegiance (the Barbadian version of course) every morning at school, al the way to secondary school.

While I understand the tendency for nations to require the pledge of allegiance in school, the whole flag deal is odd. Not bad, simply a cultural idiosyncrasy.
 
Reciting the pledge seems like such a joke now. The only place i ever remembered doing it was elementary school and nobody made you do it.

The article says their are some states with laws mandating the pledge in public schools

In reality it is rarely enforced and anyone who refuses to take the pledge and is sent home for refusing to always makes the news. Schools don't want the publicity over this and nobody cares except frothing at the mouths nationalists.
 
Once clarification to the article. It mentions that the pledge is becoming more mandatory and that's aimed at school children. This isn't true, there was a famous 1943 Supreme Court case (so before the Under God clause) that said you could not compel school children to say the pledge.

The famous (and absolutely poetic) quote from Justice Robert Jackson is as follows:

"If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein."
 
The article says their are some states with laws mandating the pledge in public schools

Maybe, but that's already been declared unconstitutional so those laws are effectively void.

Edit: That's what I get for not reading the post above mine.
 
Once clarification to the article. It mentions that the pledge is becoming more mandatory and that's aimed at school children. This isn't true, there was a famous 1943 Supreme Court case (so before the Under God clause) that said you could not compel school children to say the pledge.

The famous (and absolutely poetic) quote from Justice Robert Jackson is as follows:

"If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein."

Mandatory doesn´t necessarily imply required by law (whether federal or national). That particular sentence should be read within context, that is, the development of the (use of) pledge since its invention. Also, the pledge itself isn´t required by law. The jist of the article is that the pledge has become more of a patriotic thing, quite unlike its original author intended.
 
Can anyone explain to me what pledging "allegiance" is supposed to mean? What is it to have "allegiance" to either a flag or a nation? The only real meaning I can attach to it is a promise not to change nationality, but that's evidently not what it means, since the US permits its citizens to cease being US citizens, even those who have recited this reprehensible nonsense.
 
Can anyone explain to me what pledging "allegiance" is supposed to mean? What is it to have "allegiance" to either a flag or a nation? The only real meaning I can attach to it is a promise not to change nationality, but that's evidently not what it means, since the US permits its citizens to cease being US citizens, even those who have recited this reprehensible nonsense.

"Reprehensible" seems a little strong to me. It's a simple ritual. I don't think anyone ever claims that it imputes patriotism and loyalty by some magical force over children. Obviously, it's there as a sop to the adults in charge of children. What ritual isn't, at its roots, a support to the established order of things?

The pledge has its historical roots in the 1890s--a time when many industrialized nations were introducing compulsory education laws and instilling patriotic fervor in their national curriculums. This ultimately led to good little German and French kids growing up to hate one another unquestionably. But really, where's the harm in that?
 
It's reprehensible because it encourages loyalty to a non-moral abstraction, which is really the basis of all bigotry, whether it's given a nice-sounding name or not. That's irrational and divisive.

But that doesn't answer my question. What was "allegiance" itself supposed to mean in this pledge?
 
It's reprehensible because it encourages loyalty to a non-moral abstraction, which is really the basis of all bigotry, whether it's given a nice-sounding name or not. That's irrational and divisive.

Only if allegiance to your home nation is mutually exclusive with international cooperation and respect, which I don't think it is.

But that doesn't answer my question. What was "allegiance" itself supposed to mean in this pledge?

A promise not to commit treason against your nation. The most material example of this would be aiding enemy in wartime in such a way that results in your compatriots losing their lives; a more abstract sense would be damaging your nation (that is, your neighbors) to your own profit, which is the result of all crimes and most immoralities.
 
Only if allegiance to your home nation is mutually exclusive with international cooperation and respect, which I don't think it is.

Was ehr sagt.
Sorry if the English idiom doesn't translate. I just think posting "This" is lame. Also sorry if my German spelling is bad.



It's reprehensible because it encourages loyalty to a non-moral abstraction, which is really the basis of all bigotry, whether it's given a nice-sounding name or not. That's irrational and divisive.

I don't really buy the "loyalty equals bigotry" argument. It's possible to have national pride without despising other nationalities. On the other hand, one doesn't "need" to have loyalty to moral abstractions. If they're clear, they justify themselves without drawing on emotional or identity attachments. Demographic groupings, on the other hand, be they political, cultural, or ideological, do depend on emotional ties.

In fact, humans have a normal and natural tendency to form group loyalties and tend to establish rituals in order to firm up those loyalties. Asking why should nations do this is like asking Why do I have to chew my food? Can't I get the same results from chopping up my dinner into liquid form and pumping it straight into my stomach? Sure, but that's just not the way people have done things historically.

I think it's a mistake to look for a rational basis for the flag pledge. The practice is now tied into social norms for the cultural expression of national fidelity. You don't go into a Catholic church and ask the priest Why don't we cross ourselves over our elbows instead of our hearts? This is simply how it's done.


But that doesn't answer my question. What was "allegiance" itself supposed to mean in this pledge?

Loyalty to the republic and to the flag (for Richard Stans). It's intended to make sure the little Italian, Russian, or Greek children don't turn saboteur if we go to war with their homeland. Not that that's a realistic risk. But then again, pledges of loyalty aren't
rational. If I'm a fifth columnist, the pledge won't flip me.
 
In fact, humans have a normal and natural tendency to form group loyalties and tend to establish rituals in order to firm up those loyalties. Asking why should nations do this is like asking Why do I have to chew my food? Can't I get the same results from chopping up my dinner into liquid form and pumping it straight into my stomach? Sure, but that's just not the way people have done things historically.
You've never eaten soup? :huh: :mischief:
 
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