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The Pokemon Go Craze
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Tahuti
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It's why I stopped using Facebook, among other things.
Not sure what the situation is on Pokémon Go, though I distrust anything requiring the internet these days; It's hijacked by commercial interests gunning for your private details.
Zkribbler
Deity
If you see someone playing Pokemon Go, throw your pet rock at him. Then hit him with your lava lamp!
Snerk
Smeghead
What is it about this game that is invoking so much hostility? Not referring to anything specific here on CFC, just on the internet in general there seems to be a lot of anti-pokemon in addition to the general ongoing pokemon go mania.
Personally I've installed it but only briefly tried it out due to unstable servers/app.
Personally I've installed it but only briefly tried it out due to unstable servers/app.
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
The same engine can be used for so much. Ingress was the prototype ; GO is the demonstration of what you can do when bringing a game like that together with a franchise people have been dreaming about since they were kids.
From there, the possibilities are pretty immense.
Boooohooooohoooo them evil pogeymanz fans are sullying our technology's good name with their basic use of it /neckbeard complaint.
A device that takes the real world around you and render an image of it with additional elements is the basic definition of what augmented reality is. You'd have to bend the definition of augmented reality into a particularly twisted pretzel (and, in effect, shift the goalposts) to avoid including Go.
Sure, some devices and technologies take the idea much further, and that's good, but that doesn't mean a basic application of the concept isn't AR. Early attempts at 3D were clumsy, had very poor physics engine, and generally didn't come close to demonstrating what true 3D technology could eventually do, but they were 3D games nonetheless.
From there, the possibilities are pretty immense.
Boooohooooohoooo them evil pogeymanz fans are sullying our technology's good name with their basic use of it /neckbeard complaint.
A device that takes the real world around you and render an image of it with additional elements is the basic definition of what augmented reality is. You'd have to bend the definition of augmented reality into a particularly twisted pretzel (and, in effect, shift the goalposts) to avoid including Go.
Sure, some devices and technologies take the idea much further, and that's good, but that doesn't mean a basic application of the concept isn't AR. Early attempts at 3D were clumsy, had very poor physics engine, and generally didn't come close to demonstrating what true 3D technology could eventually do, but they were 3D games nonetheless.
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
Accidental DP, mods please delete.
Lexicus
Deity
Yeah it's quite puzzling. The two major arguments I've heard "against" it that make sense are the security flaw that lets Niantic have access to your Gmail, and that Pokemon GO is just one more step on the road to Corporate Big Brother always watching you.
Of course, that second beef isn't with GO per se but with this whole "capitalist system" thing.
I don't have a smartphone, but if I did it would probably be best to wait to play it until they've ironed out the problems.
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
The account access flaws have :
1)Been found out to be somewhat exaggerated, based on poor wording more than actual issues (the game had broad access permissions, but "able to send email without your permission" was never on the list). The security expert who sounded the alarm later admitted to never actually having tested his claims, and later tests both inside and outside Google found that while the game potentially had access to lots of data (but never the ability to send emails without permission), it didn't actually access that data between release and...
2)...the 1.0.1 update, released on the 12th of July, which revoked those access permissions and stopped new accounts from requiring them. Now all the permissions the game ask for (and get) are basic identity verification permissions.
So in other words, the problem existed for less than a week, no longer exists, and only the media slowpokes have yet to pick up on that fact.
1)Been found out to be somewhat exaggerated, based on poor wording more than actual issues (the game had broad access permissions, but "able to send email without your permission" was never on the list). The security expert who sounded the alarm later admitted to never actually having tested his claims, and later tests both inside and outside Google found that while the game potentially had access to lots of data (but never the ability to send emails without permission), it didn't actually access that data between release and...
2)...the 1.0.1 update, released on the 12th of July, which revoked those access permissions and stopped new accounts from requiring them. Now all the permissions the game ask for (and get) are basic identity verification permissions.
So in other words, the problem existed for less than a week, no longer exists, and only the media slowpokes have yet to pick up on that fact.
If that does happen, I don't think it's actually as much of a concern as the root cause: the advertising and microtransaction based business model which is straight-up charlatanry.
The fact that it's advertising/microtransaction-based, and popular. I have the same hostility for farmville/candy crush saga/video lottery terminals/god of war/etc. I can only surmise that people get so defensive because my points ring true.
Did you even read the article? The images and camera in pokego are completely irrelevant to gameplay in every way, aren't thay? You could have the exact same gameplay on a phone without a camera.
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
I did read the article ; but the article is shifting the definition of augmented reality to get to its conclusion.
Augmented reality, in its basic definition, does not require that the software actually interact with real objects. The basic definition is the use of direct or indirect view of a real world environment (camera image: check), augmented by the addition of virtual elements (the Pokémon: check).
Using a much narrower definition out of the blue make the article automatically suspicious.
Augmented reality, in its basic definition, does not require that the software actually interact with real objects. The basic definition is the use of direct or indirect view of a real world environment (camera image: check), augmented by the addition of virtual elements (the Pokémon: check).
Using a much narrower definition out of the blue make the article automatically suspicious.
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
Indeed. But hey, Pokémon GO comes along and *suddenly* the requirement for augmented reality are much higher!
It'S almost like somebody wanted to keep Pokémon out of their precious AR club or something.
It'S almost like somebody wanted to keep Pokémon out of their precious AR club or something.
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
It's certainly not an AR *benchmark*, that I agree with. It's a basic, *very* simple application of the concept of augmented reality, no more.
It's also the ice-breaker: the game that took AR from a geeky concept and brought it into popular consciousness in a big way.
It's also the ice-breaker: the game that took AR from a geeky concept and brought it into popular consciousness in a big way.
Lexicus
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In this sense, it's a benchmark. I would think Pokemon GO will feature prominently in future narratives of the history of AR.
For my part, I'm getting a big kick out of the memes it's generated and watching people make fools of themselves on social media trying to h8 on it.
Like I said, h8ers gon' h8. It's almost impossible to post on the internet about how you hate it without coming across as exactly like one of those old people in the 1950s who said television was a tool of Satan.
Like I said, the few critiques of it I've read that actually were anything other than curmudgeonly dissatisfaction with what the young people are doing today are the "corporate dystopia" ones, which I think are basically correct. There is so much potential in a thing like Pokemon GO, that it seems a shame it's just being used for corporate data mining and microtransactions.
Actually, another thing I've been curious about, for those playing GO to what extent is it pay-to-win?
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
Well, yes, in that sense. But in the technological sense, it isn't remotely close to a benchmark.
I haven,t paid a penny so far myself. You can get plentiful Pokéballs from stops and leveling (especially since most pokéstops can be visited multiple times) - I'm pretty sure I have more Pokéball now than when I started playing, and I didn't spend a penny on them. Likewise, I'm picking up plenty of eggs just from visiting Pokéstops.
The one item I might buy at some point is a lure module, and that,s not so much Pay To Win as Pay To Organize A Party (lure modules cause Pokémon swarm to appear in the location they're set off in for all players ; so if you want to get together with friends and have a Pokémon GO party, they're probably a good thing to have.
The Pay to Win aspect might come into play more in rural areas, where Pokéstops are much rarer, but in good-sized cities, they're plentiful.
I haven,t paid a penny so far myself. You can get plentiful Pokéballs from stops and leveling (especially since most pokéstops can be visited multiple times) - I'm pretty sure I have more Pokéball now than when I started playing, and I didn't spend a penny on them. Likewise, I'm picking up plenty of eggs just from visiting Pokéstops.
The one item I might buy at some point is a lure module, and that,s not so much Pay To Win as Pay To Organize A Party (lure modules cause Pokémon swarm to appear in the location they're set off in for all players ; so if you want to get together with friends and have a Pokémon GO party, they're probably a good thing to have.
The Pay to Win aspect might come into play more in rural areas, where Pokéstops are much rarer, but in good-sized cities, they're plentiful.
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I haven't looked into the rules, but presumably to do well you have to physically to go all kinds of places. Too much effort for me, I get my physical activity in with the gym still.
I do see how others are into it but it's not my cup of tea, kind of like MMORPGs aren't/never were. It's certainly a media spam story lately though, complete with predictable stuff where I could write up some mad-lib articles.
If I had to guess, I'd estimate it has ok staying power if there is decent competitive mechanics under the hood, but I don't know the rules so maybe/maybe not. I have played pokemon PvP and there is significant strategy involved in winning/losing those matches (even if the metagame tends to centralize too much). Those who have only tried it in single player have no idea.
I do see how others are into it but it's not my cup of tea, kind of like MMORPGs aren't/never were. It's certainly a media spam story lately though, complete with predictable stuff where I could write up some mad-lib articles.
If I had to guess, I'd estimate it has ok staying power if there is decent competitive mechanics under the hood, but I don't know the rules so maybe/maybe not. I have played pokemon PvP and there is significant strategy involved in winning/losing those matches (even if the metagame tends to centralize too much). Those who have only tried it in single player have no idea.
sophie
Break My Heart
I dunno, it depends. Most of my coworkers use it, but it's not something they necessarily actively go out of their way to do. Because my job entails a lot of being outside and walking around, it ends up more just being something fun they can keep their eyes on while moving between jobs. If I'm on my way to check this site out, and while doing so I happen to notice there's a gym or a lure or a pokemon nearby I'll check it out.
Playing the game doesn't have to mean walking 10 miles a day to go to some obscure gym in the ghetto. It's a casual thing that you can check on periodically like you might with, say, Yik Yak or facebook or whatever. From what I've heard the social aspect is a ton of fun though.