The post-fact universe has arrived

[hobbsyoyo]

How do you get away with saying stuff like this?

You keep feeding us new material.

 

[Cutlass]

...which, sadly, make up well more than 50% of our population.

No, just under 50%.

Okay. Yes, he's a lying sack of Neo-con crap. And?

That makes him a real conservative.

You said there was a LAW requiring all 50 states to balance their budgets.

Link to the law. Show me your source. I swear I'll believe you if you can point to a fact to back up your assertion.

49 laws actually. Only Vermont is blue enough to avoid that insanity.

Remember what I said about a logical fallacy called "begging the question"? Yeah, you're doing it. Stop

You first. When libertarians stop voting against what they claim are their principles, then we can talk. But the fact that anyone who is a libertarian would even take Ron Paul as other than a bad joke proves they don't.

I see that you put "conservatives" in "quotation marks". This implies that you know the difference between true fiscal conservatives and the lying sacks of Neo-con crap who are running the GoP.

You'll get no disagreement from me.

Neocons do not run the GOPers. They're just a parasite on the backs of the conservatives because conservatives can't be bothered to learn about national security issues. Real conservatives have just changed so much in recent decades that they cannot be recognized from what they used to be. A fiscal conservative would be raising taxes in each of the past 12 years.

Stay on topic here. We're talking about entitlement spending, and yes, it's OK for governments to be big and oppressive in that regard as long as its victims can flee to a place with lower taxes and less entitlement spending

I haven't changed topic at all. You want people to flee into big oppressive government instead of away from it?

I'm sorry, but I didn't see any links in that sentence. Could you perhaps link to a source of facts to back up your claims?

Actually, I have. Perhaps my encounters have differed from yours.

Attempting to get food stamps, county level: got EBT card immediately

Attempting to get disability insurance, Federal level: took about 6 months, got turned down.

Odd that you claim to be a parasite on the system and you want to elimiate the benefits that you are trying to get.

Yes, millions of government employees have to find real jobs

But seriously, the economy and therefore tax revenue will only shrink in the short term. Look at what happened after World War II. Spending on the war ended and we suffered a huge drop in GDP... but as the government shrank, it created room for the private sector to grow. Our economy rebounded rapidly and we got a 25-year Golden Age. I'm not quite sure how much of our post-WW2 growth was due to the Fed issuing endless amounts of monopoly money that we were able to trade for real wealth due to the dollar's newfound status as the world's reserve currency, but that's still pretty impressive.

Similarly, Shock Therapy destroyed the economies of former Warsaw Pact countries, but they've been regrowing rapidly ever since (or at least Russia has been).

Not even vaguely comparable situations.

How do you get away with saying stuff like this?

God and the Right are on my side.

 

[Chimera Kitty]

State government can never be any good at welfare.

It's true in all the states and they aren't going to change it.

Vermont is blue enough to avoid that insanity.

Thank you for finally admitting that you were wrong.

Also, did you read the rest of the article to which to linked? It provides examples of other states that use accounting tricks and legal weaseling to circumvent their balanced budget requirements. It specifically mentions Illinois, Texas, and Arizona.

No, just under 50%.

As long as most Americans support gun-control and the War on Drugs, your statement is factually, quantifiably incorrect. We only barely got more than 50% of the US population behind legalizing pot, and other drugs are well behind:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arguments_for_and_against_drug_prohibition#Public_opinion

"In the United States 82% of those polled by the Family Research Association in 1998 were opposed to the legalization of heroin and cocaine in the same manner as alcohol is legal... In Australia, which has had the highest levels of illicit drug use in Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (or OECD) countries for more than a decade,[165] according to a 2007 survey, 95% of Australians do not support the legalization of heroin, cocaine and amphetamines"

That makes him a real conservative.

So not only are you incapable of distinguishing between anarchists and libertarians, but you're also incapable of distinguishing between neoconservatives and paleoconservatives. Either that, or you're just trolling. I can never tell.

You first. When libertarians stop voting against what they claim are their principles, then we can talk. But the fact that anyone who is a libertarian would even take Ron Paul as other than a bad joke proves they don't.

Show me instances of libertarians voting against their principles. I mean other than the one time when Ron Paul voted for DOMA.

Neocons do not run the GOPers.

Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Bush I, Dole, Bush II, McCain, and Mittens were all openly neoconservative. Reagan was a neocon who pretended to be a paleocon. The last time the GoP actually nominated a paleocon for President was in 1964.

I'd say the neocons are in pretty tight control of the GoP.

They're just a parasite on the backs of the conservatives because conservatives can't be bothered to learn about national security issues.

So now you admit that there is a difference between neocons and real conservatives?

A fiscal conservative would be raising taxes in each of the past 12 years.

Why?

I haven't changed topic at all. You want people to flee into big oppressive government instead of away from it?

Please show me where I said that.

Odd that you claim to be a parasite on the system and you want to elimiate the benefits that you are trying to get.

I'm willing to bet that the $60 in food stamps that I got is less than what I've paid to the county in sales tax over the years, so it's all good.

The system shouldn't exist, but as long as it does, I might as well use it.

Not even vaguely comparable situations.

How so?

God and the Right are on my side.

My god can take your god any day of the week!

 

[Cutlass]

Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Bush I, Dole, Bush II, McCain, and Mittens were all openly neoconservative. Reagan was a neocon who pretended to be a paleocon. The last time the GoP actually nominated a paleocon for President was in 1964.

I'd say the neocons are in pretty tight control of the GoP.

Jesus fracking christ now you're not even trying. The neocons didn't even exist before the 1970s and you're going to pretend Ike was one of them?

 

[Chimera Kitty]

The ideology existed long before the word did.

 

[KMRblue1027]

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed - Dwight D. Eisenhower

I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity - Dwight D. Eisenhower

Your calling this man a NeoCon?

 

[Cutlass]

No, it didn't. You're just demonstrating your own personal inability to take responsibility for your positions. So everyone has to be kicked out of what they were to make room for you.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Hey gaize:
Eisenhower was totally for Iraq invasion!

 

[timtofly]

Your calling this man a NeoCon?

There are some who call Obama a christian.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

There are some who call Obama a christian.

Namely Obama.

 

[Cutlass]

There are some who call Obama a christian.

Only because he is one.

 

[Quackers]

how do you know?

 

[Cutlass]

how do you know?

Because he says so and there's literally no reason not to take his word for it.

 

[Chimera Kitty]

Your calling this man a NeoCon?

The man who authorized overthrowing the government of Iran for the benefit of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company?

The man who created, via executive order, the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare?

Yup. Perhaps you need to be reminded of the definition of a neoconservative.

You're just demonstrating your own personal inability to take responsibility for your positions.

How so?

So everyone has to be kicked out of what they were to make room for you.

What does this even mean?

Because he says so and there's literally no reason not to take his word for it.

Also, remember his pastor who hated white people and America? He was a Christian pastor at a Christian church.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

how do you know?

Because stop. You know better and this is annoying.

Start a thread if you want, but leave it alone here or I'll bring up a damn bust that needs to be recrushed into gravel.

 

[Quackers]

Because he says so and there's literally no reason not to take his word for it.

Seems reasonable. But a lot of people seem to claim he isn't and he went to some "church" in chicago which was actually run by some black supremacist or some such? Plus his Dad was a Muslim. Add that all together and you get almost-reasonable suspicion.

Start a thread if you want, but leave it alone here or I'll bring up a damn bust that needs to be recrushed into gravel.

Don't you dare!

 

[Cutlass]

Seems reasonable. But a lot of people seem to claim he isn't and he went to some "church" in chicago which was actually run by some black supremacist or some such? Plus his Dad was a Muslim. Add that all together and you get almost-reasonable suspicion.

See, that's a lie. Wright is not a great guy, but he's neither anti-American or racist. What he is is bitterly angry at a country that has not lived up to its own ideals.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

How does a dead beat dad's religion have any effect on the child from half a planet away?

Cranking up the steam roller.

 

[Chimera Kitty]

his Dad was a Muslim.

Really? I thought his dad was just Kenyan, and the "Muslim" thing gets tossed around because of the time he spent in Malaysia or whatever.

 

[Quackers]

Quickly skimmed the Wikipedia for it and truth be told he hasn't said anything explicitely racist - yet. But he does love, absolutely love to comment on a man's skin colour like it's the most important thing and changes whatever the speaker is saying and also he is a rambling, fricking nutter and the President visited his sermons? I can't quite believe it, i thought Obama was a smart man..