The questions-not-worth-their-own-thread question thread V

[Annex]

I don't think it's a very weak thesis but you have to stress that you're approaching it as a psychology of projection, like a hero myth analysis (e.g. author Joseph Campbell). To make it work you have to detail what aspects of their belief system that the terrorists project onto America/WTC and how the Star Wars ep.4 story is similiar. Otherwise people might think you're the one projecting some kind of goofy anti-American metaphor.

Heh yeah Ive seen that just in this thread. But this overall is my goal.

It's not necessarily a really strong thesis either though, since terrorists can be plain cold-blooded killers with no delusions about what they're doing.

Does al Qaeda believe this? Did the Rebels believe this in the movie? If I was arguing on the part of the United States I would certainly say this, but I want to examine how the terrorists think.

I think Tatooine would do well as Afghanistan in your scheme. The rest of plot would be like scheme of cells that you could research from the 9/11 report. I guess Han smuggling Luke offworld would be like filtering through cells in Europe and the rest of the world (unamusingly the terrorist cells were in California and even Maryland towards the end of the plot).

I hadnt thought of this, thanks

 

[Brighteye]

Say what you like as long as you conclude that the two are actually very different because the Death Star was a military target and the WTC a civilian one. That's the difference between freedom fighters and terrorists.
Of course, having concluded this there's room for another half of the story explaining how the WTC was actually part of the mechanism of oppression, because these people object not to military might but to the cultural seepage that accompanies global trade and the conflict between their beliefs and intruding reality (or other beliefs and opinions) that emerges.

 

[Annex]

Say what you like as long as you conclude that the two are actually very different because the Death Star was a military target and the WTC a civilian one. That's the difference between freedom fighters and terrorists.
Of course, having concluded this there's room for another half of the story explaining how the WTC was actually part of the mechanism of oppression, because these people object not to military might but to the cultural seepage that accompanies global trade and the conflict between their beliefs and intruding reality (or other beliefs and opinions) that emerges.

Remember, they also attacked the Pentagon.

But yes I was also going for the perceived economic/cultural oppression.

 

[Sharwood]

Say what you like as long as you conclude that the two are actually very different because the Death Star was a military target and the WTC a civilian one. That's the difference between freedom fighters and terrorists.
Of course, having concluded this there's room for another half of the story explaining how the WTC was actually part of the mechanism of oppression, because these people object not to military might but to the cultural seepage that accompanies global trade and the conflict between their beliefs and intruding reality (or other beliefs and opinions) that emerges.

The Death Star was clearly a civilian target. It was designed to blow open uninhabited planets to gain access to the heavy minerals at the core. Over 1,000,000 peaceful technicians were onboard, along with civilian administrators like Grand Moff Tarkin.

 

[Annex]

The Death Star was clearly a civilian target. It was designed to blow open uninhabited planets to gain access to the heavy minerals at the core. Over 1,000,000 peaceful technicians were onboard, along with civilian administrators like Grand Moff Tarkin.

Kinda like Clerks, eh?

Seriously though. Obviously the rebellion is not going to mirror al Qaeda exactly. The death star/pentagon analogy works well IMO,when viewed from the terrorists side In the eyes of al Qaeda the American civilians are just as guilty as the government, this is a fact. This is obviously the departure from the Star Wars scenario, and Ill definitely point this out.

You cant deny that al Qaeda felt they needed to destroy the twin towers no matter what. They were unsuccessful in 93 and their plan worked in 01. What Im interested in is why they felt this way. It may take me over 12 pages to discuss this, in which case I will likely not even talk about Star Wars at all. But right now I dont know.

Anyway I think Ive taken up too much of this thread, and I will probably stop here.

 

[Dachs]

Kinda like Clerks, eh?

Michael Stackpole said it first.

 

[Annex]

Michael Stackpole said it first.

Im gonna plead ignorance on this and assume you are right.

Quick question:

If I have an mp3 file and want to cut it up (say, only keep the first 15 seconds to 50 seconds of the file) what is the easiest way for me to go about doing this without creating an ACC version?

 

[Sharwood]

Michael Stackpole said it first.

I'm pretty sure Kevin J. Anderson - ugh! - beat him to it, but you may be right. I may be crazy. But it just may be a lunatic you're looking for. What?

I have never seen Clerks, so I have no idea what that's about.

 

[Annex]

I'm pretty sure Kevin J. Anderson - ugh! - beat him to it, but you may be right. I may be crazy. But it just may be a lunatic you're looking for. What?

I have never seen Clerks, so I have no idea what that's about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFKhV_X6-cg

Damn, I never realized how horrible the acting is.

 

[carmen510]

That terrorism paper gave me the second best laugh of the week.

I wonder if I could make Star Wars references for my term paper on the Hundred Years War. Hmm...

 

[Sharwood]

That terrorism paper gave me the second best laugh of the week.

I wonder if I could make Star Wars references for my term paper on the Hundred Years War. Hmm...

Battle of Agincourt = Battle of Endor.

 

[GoodGame]

Battle of Agincourt = Battle of Endor.

French mounted knights = speeder bike patrol

 

[Annex]

Who is Admiral Ackbar?

 

[Sharwood]

Who is Admiral Ackbar?

In Al Qaeda? Whoever does their military planning. In France, um, Joan of Arc. You can tell that this is my historic area of expertise, can't you?

 

[jeps]

Why? He was a Saudi Arabia and Yemen expert for the CIA pre 9/11.

So he was a Saudi and Yemeni expert? wow. he must have SUCKED at his job.

seriously. consider how many Yemeni attacks there have been on US interests/embassy and same with the saudis - bin laden? saudi.

 

[Annex]

In Al Qaeda? Whoever does their military planning. In France, um, Joan of Arc. You can tell that this is my historic area of expertise, can't you?

I was referring to the Hundred Years War.

So he was a Saudi and Yemeni expert? wow. he must have SUCKED at his job.

seriously. consider how many Yemeni attacks there have been on US interests/embassy and same with the saudis - bin laden? saudi.

I dont know how many other experts they had in that department. And if you think just one person alone can stop a terrorist attack, you are very very wrong. Jack Bauer doesnt exist in real life, Im sorry. Our intelligence agencies had many problems at the time. Ever seen the Bin Laden PDB? We get good intel up to the TOP LEVEL and still fail to stop those attacks.

 

[holy king]

Who is Admiral Ackbar?

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

How accurate is it to describe the relationship between ethics and morality as "ethics is the theory, morality is the application"?

 

[jeps]

I dont know how many other experts they had in that department. And if you think just one person alone can stop a terrorist attack, you are very very wrong. Jack Bauer doesnt exist in real life, Im sorry. Our intelligence agencies had many problems at the time. Ever seen the Bin Laden PDB? We get good intel up to the TOP LEVEL and still fail to stop those attacks.

I thought the days of having to put were over. Guess not. Wow.

 

[Annex]

Oh GLAYVIN!

But in the future some indication would be nice. Theres a lot of crazies out there...