The questions-not-worth-their-own-thread question thread XIII

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The key here is to stop thinking in black and white. :)

Hey i know it isn't 100% either way with anything but there are patterns. I thought it was safe to assume most conservative catholics would vote republican rather than democrat. I don't see much on the democrats liberal platform that would appeal to conservative catholics.
 
...conservative catholics.

Key word. There are plenty of progressive Catholics. It's actually, surprisingly, almost exactly split down the middle.
 
Well that's news to me. Religious conservatives tend to vote republican. Its odd that Catholics would be any different unless they weren't very conservative with their religion.
But Catholics tend to be from working class background, not to mention the Churches "consistent life ethic", which forbids not only abortion but capital punishment and war, both of which the Republicans adore with a fiery passion.
 
Hey i know it isn't 100% either way with anything but there are patterns. I thought it was safe to assume most conservative catholics would vote republican rather than democrat. I don't see much on the democrats liberal platform that would appeal to conservative catholics.

It's never safe to assume anything; so never let stereotypes get in the way of your judgments. Just because someone believes that abortion is wrong, doesn't mean they wouldn't also support Universal Healthcare, or Renewable Energy initiatives.

EDIT: edited out creationist junk
 
If you live in a country completely surrounded by another country, and the other country won't let you in. How do you get out of there? Or are there international laws about this?

Asume theres no oceans so you cant go out on a boat or something.
 
NO. That's creationist junk, and no Catholics believe that.

I thought you guys also had the Adam and Eve thing going... or is that something totally separate?

Whatever, I'm not a Catholic, so I wouldn't know, I'll edit my post :)
 
Yeah, the Pope believes in Evolution and Big Bang theory.
 
Catholics believe that the Adam and Eve story was told to have people understand in their time. They wouldn't understand anything about evolution.

:lol: and don't worry about editing out the "creationist junk".
 
The Pope believes in God guided evolution, IIRC.
 
Yeah, the Pope believes in Evolution and Big Bang theory.

Well if the latest head of the catholic church has forsaken such core biblical teachings well than I cant really say its Catholicism anymore.

I am not religious at all but if you decide to pick and choose what you want to beileve than how is it still the same religion?

Wouldnt denying the origins of god's creation be heresy under older popes?
 
The Pope believes in God guided evolution, IIRC.

Well yeah. He wouldn't have let it run amuck. :p

Only in the US :p

And that brings us back to the old question. Which EU country is the most conservative?

EDIT: @Xanikk999: didn't you read my post regarding Adam and Eve?

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Wouldnt denying the origins of god's creation be heresy under older popes?

We've evolved. ;)
 
Catholics tend to hold to different views of scripture than Protestants. As a result, a less literal interpretation of Genesis wouldn't really be considered heresy.
 
Just out of curiosity what is the most conservative country in the E.U.

As a clueless American let me guess. Hmm probably an eastern European country or maybe Italy since they have a lot of Catholics. Am i right?

Nah, you can't assume Catholics are analogous to fire-and-brimstone Baptists or Evangelicals in America.

Predominantly Catholic Spain, Belgium and Portugal have legalised gay marriage (as . Spain in particular, in many ways, has become something of a "Sweden on the Mediterranean" in terms of social policy.

In Australia, incidentally, historically the centre-left Labor Party was more Catholic whilst the centre-right Liberals were the Protestant party. This is largely rooted in class (traditionally the Australian working class was disproportionately Irish and Catholicism).

Further, in a poll a few years ago in Australia found that Australian Catholics are the most tolerant of homosexuality of any religious group. Speaking from personal experience, my Nanna is a devout Catholic, as lefty as they come (votes for the Greens). She doesn't have an issue with homoseuxality and is only still grappling with gay marriage because it's a new concept. Even then, her natural decency and open-mindedness is winning out.

The thing to remember about Catholicism is it's different to protestantism. It doesn't have splits and that there is often a huge gulf between the hierarchy and ordinary Catholics. Protestants who disagree tend to form new denominations (don't like the Baptists? Go be an Anglican. etc). Lay Catholics who disagree tend to just ignore the Pope and keep doing their thing. The "Catholic guilt" thing may also play a role - I mean if we're all filthy disgusting sinners who should be ashamed of ourselves, who the hell are we to get all upset and angry and try to restrict what other people do?

Finally, I think there's a higher tendency for people to see themselves as Catholic in "cultural" terms even if they don't, you know, go to church, believe in god, etc. It's a bit like Judaism that way. Hell, Catholic doctrine supports the view - once you're baptised, that's it, as far as it's concerned... you're Catholic 4 Life. Hell, I nearly wrote "we" at a couple of points here and I'm a friggin atheist.

So yes, for multiple reasons, Catholic != conservative authoritarians.
 
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