The real stability maps

[Michail]

Hello all

I kind a new in Rhye and Fall. I made a quick search, but I haven't find anything about editing stability maps? I'm now playing for Chinese, after completing UHV I've got >120 troops waiting to fight to expand the empire. However, there are no a lot of green space to expand. Even if (the China under Mongolian rulers), conquered even Egypt (by Wikipedia).

Even if this (image) should be Mongolian Empire, it does not correspondent to its stability map in Rhye.

I do not want to include this inside rhye for all (cause I think there are lot of people who prefer actual maps), however, I'd like to play im my own, custom world.

Thanks

Michail

 

[Panopticon]

There is no central "stability map" with values that you can edit. The stability maps are based on a large number of different values, like whether a tile is in a civ core territory, or whether it's in the civ's settlers map that encourages it to settle on tiles.

There is a set of settlers maps, which you can edit, but only if you are able to create a custom DLL. It's in the CvRhyes.cpp file.

 

[Lone Wolf]

<looks at the posted map>

lolwhut

 

[Panopticon]

<looks at the posted map>

lolwhut

I think it's the Khans, amirite?

 

[dragodon64]

Not in 1039. That map look horribly wrong, not just because of the date and name, but also because there was no unison between the various mongol empires after the death of Kublai Khan (even during his reign, there was only nominal unity).

Personally, I don't think the mongols should have good stability outside of their home territory, north china, manchuria and central asia, maybe less. Stability affects how long a civ will keep living while holding that land, but it doesn't influence them to actually conquer/settle said land. Settler maps on the other hand, do just that.

This map is a little bit more accurate, I believe.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Mongol_Empire_History.jpg

 

[Kizuna.Zero]

I do have issues with stability map in East and Southeast Asia.

Since RFC doesn't have the Koreans as a full-fledged civ(though I think an independent city spawns on the peninsula), China should have light-green areas in parts of Manchuria and Korea, as well as near the northern part of the Indochinese peninsula.
The cultural impact that the Chinese had on these regions was tremendous, something that cannot be ignored.

Although I'd like to see Koreans included in the game, since they aren't there, the area should be given to China, which the influential power in the region.

 

[merijn_v1]

Although I'd like to see Koreans included in the game, since they aren't there, the area should be given to China, which the influential power in the region.

Someone created a Modmod for RFC with Korea. Here (post 74)

 

[civ_king]

I second China getting stability in that Area!

 

[Zagoroth]

Besides the fact that the map is very inaccurate, it makes no sense to give China area there. The Mongols already receive stability in the majority of those areas. China did not rule that land, the Mongols did.

 

[deanej]

But there is a heavy Chinese influence. Since Korea is not in the game, China is the closest you can get.

 

[Zagoroth]

I was talking about the Mongolian map at the top of this page.

 

[blizzrd]

Besides the fact that the map is very inaccurate, it makes no sense to give China area there. The Mongols already receive stability in the majority of those areas. China did not rule that land, the Mongols did.

I think the starter of this thread is simply showing just a little bit of personal bias towards China's historical empire building.

By assuming that because the Mongols who conquered China and also much of central and western asia also (although not at the date on the picture in the first post), the author is trying to credit China with a historical interest in these areas. I could possibly even agree (somewhat) with this, except that the Mongols are represtented in RFC as their own civ.

 

[otomik_]

here's an image of the Han Dynasty, an ethnically "Han" Chinese dynasty 100AD, predating non-han chinese dynasties. even setting aside the mongol Yuan dynasty and manchu Qing dynasty there are strong claims on northern korea and northern vietnam. however the same cannot be said of Tibet (which oddly is green)

Also I don't understand how the japanese have green in vancouver but the chinese who have always made up much larger numbers in vancouver don't have green there.

in general these maps should have a lot more yellow. england has all of india yellow, shouldn't china have much more land that is yellow? they did end up dominating mongolia until russian interference.

it's a complex picture to put together, i think what a stability map does needs to be more defined (romans in newfoundland?). facing a war of liberation with so many units deserting to join the enemy already dissuades me from encroaching too much.

 

[civ_king]

IMO china should have korea as light green and japan as yellow
also I think Russia's stability area should be bigger to closer match the USSR

 

[Zagoroth]

China never conquered Japan... Japan however conquered the East coast of China. Even in this scenario we would not actually give Japan area in China. As the claims were short lived and hardly stable.

 

[civ_king]

China never conquered Japan... Japan however conquered the East coast of China. Even in this scenario we would not actually give Japan area in China. As the claims were short lived and hardly stable.

I'm talking about cultural influence not conquest, Russia never conquered Cuba but it has light green there other examples
America-Liberia
Arabia-Indonesia
Germany-Canada (heritage)
India-South tip of Khmer place
Japan-Vancouver

PS maybe a speck of yellow on SF for Russia because they had a fair number of forts around there

 

[Zagoroth]

All the Western powers influenced Japan, should they get yellow area on Japan?

 

[civ_king]

All the Western powers influenced Japan, should they get yellow area on Japan?

China influenced language and government structure, Chinese culture was copied repeatedly.

IMHO that is more than what the western powers have done

 

[Zagoroth]

Well I was making a point, not actually suggesting to allow Western powers to have yellow area there. You are right in that China influenced Japan more, but is it enough to allow them to have control over the region without repercussions?

 

[civ_king]

Dark green: core area
No penalty for founding cities here, but ensuring that there is no foreign presence is critically important
Light green: territories within historical bounds
Expanding here brings no penalties other than the increased number of cities
Yellow: territories within historical bounds, but belonging to other civs core area
These territories are unsafe, because of possible revolts and of generic instability of the area
Orange: territories out of historical bounds
Expanding here brings a penalty if exceeding a certain tolerance
Red: territories out of historical bounds and belonging to other civs core area
The worst place to expand
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not without repercussions but not going to rape China's stability either