The Scientists CORPS

[madscientist]

We all know the benefits of the GE and GM corps, more hammers food who can complain. But the 2 scientists ones, for oil and aluminum, are 2 that I rarely get simply because I have some access to oil (or take it after Scientific methos) and can usually live without aluminum if I have to.

Anyone really use a GS for these for the extra beakers alone? Is it worth it, or would another academy or settled GS that late be better? I am assuming you are without the conflicting corps.

 

[Refar]

Aluminium only uses Coal. So unless you have LOTS of coal, the beakers Bonus will not help you much. Beeing a competitor of Mining Inc does not help either.

Ethanol can give lots of beakers. I think under certain circumstances it is able to outperform Sushi. But it is unlocked by plastics. At this point in the game... Well... Who cares ?!

Anyway...

I founded the Ethanol in a somewhat recent game as Wang-Kon. Popped a GS from the National Park two turns after i launched. Obviously at this point in the game it did not matter what i do with him - could have as well just putt him to sleep in the Winery near my Capital I decided to give the Corporation a try. (It went into Score as World Wonder btw )

Ethanol gave me something like 25 raw beakers in my Oxford City, not that bad concidering the multipliers. Probably could have make a couple more if i traded (extorted from Vassals) some ressources....

However i was getting 21 food from Sushi in the same city (Obviosuly after kicking Sushi out, some of my specialists starved - but thats not the point here - normaly you would not spread Sushi there in the first place, if planing for Ethanol).

So how i see it:

With 21 food you can easily run specialists for 25 beakers if you are in Representation. If not in Rep - and probably no Caste System at this point - you will not have enought Scientist Slots to generate those Beakers from food, hence Ethanol might give you more Beakers than Sushi.


BTW. Does it give Oil/Aluminium only to a city where the corp is present ? Or will have all Cities have the ressource ? In the above game i had Aluminium anyway, so i dont know...

 

[madscientist]

Aluminium only uses Coal. So unless you have LOTS of coal, the beakers Bonus will not help you much. Beeing a competitor of Mining Inc does not help either.

Ethanol can give lots of beakers. I think under certain circumstances it is able to outperform Sushi. But it is unlocked by plastics. At this point in the game... Well... Who cares ?!

Anyway...

I founded the Ethanol in a somewhat recent game as Wang-Kon. Popped a GS from the National Park two turns after i launched. Obviously at this point in the game it did not matter what i do with him - could have as well just putt him to sleep in the Winery near my Capital I decided to give the Corporation a try. (It went into Score as World Wonder btw )

Ethanol gave me something like 25 raw beakers in my Oxford City, not that bad concidering the multipliers. Probably could have make a couple more if i traded (extorted from Vassals) some ressources....

However i was getting 21 food from Sushi in the same city (Obviosuly after kicking Sushi out, some of my specialists starved - but thats not the point here - normaly you would not spread Sushi there in the first place, if planing for Ethanol).

So how i see it:

With 21 food you can easily run specialists for 25 beakers if you are in Representation. If not in Rep - and probably no Caste System at this point - you will not have enought Scientist Slots to generate those Beakers from food, hence Ethanol might give you more Beakers than Sushi.


BTW. Does it give Oil/Aluminium only to a city where the corp is present ? Or will have all Cities have the ressource ? In the above game i had Aluminium anyway, so i dont know...

Thanks, good point about plastics.

Standard ethanol give oil access to the city that has it. So intheory you could have standard ethanol HQ and only in HE city producing tanks while the remainder of the cities use Cereal Mills or Sid's.

Same with Aluminum Inc, it helsp spaceship production only in the city with the corp.

 

[futurehermit]

I don't usually need them and the fact that they compete with sushi or mining inc is a problem. But I'm more the large empire type (see my sig). If you have a small empire, then both could be valuable.

 

[InvisibleStalke]

Apart from the benefit of the resource these are great to spam. If the AIs already have oil then giving them standard ethanol gives them almost nothing. But it still brings 12 gold into your wall street city.

 

[madscientist]

Apart from the benefit of the resource these are great to spam. If the AIs already have oil then giving them standard ethanol gives them almost nothing. But it still brings 12 gold into your wall street city.

I never thought of that!! I have founded standard ethanol in the past to keep it out of the AI hands, but using it as corporation espionage is a great idea. Especially late in the game to ruin other corps in AI SS part cities.

 

[futurehermit]

The problem is though that you can't put them in your wallstreet city if you have sushi/mining there.

 

[huerfanista]

By the time I found a corp, I usually have a hard time finding another civ that's not running State Property, so it's not so easy to spam some of the less useful corps to other civs. Since I'm only starting to experiment with an espionage economy, I haven't been able to use espionage to switch them out of SP.

 

[futurehermit]

If you really want to spam execs to other civs you either have to force environmentalism via the UN or have a lot of spies and espionage points handy.

 

[Refar]

The caveeat on Enviromentalism is: it makes your own corporation more expensive too. But if you spam enought to the AI, that is not a real problem.

 

[JujuLautre]

Standard ethanol can be a lifesaver in OCC

 

[futurehermit]

The caveeat on Enviromentalism is: it makes your own corporation more expensive too. But if you spam enought to the AI, that is not a real problem.

Yes, definitely, but sometimes it is the only reasonable option is if your goal is world-wide corporate takeover All those hippies start giving you a hard time if your corporations are really powerful and you have to present a good image

 

[MyOtherName]

Twice in a dozen games, I've failed to have a source of aluminum in a space race, even with a good sized civ. Of course, in both games, it wasn't much of a race and I didn't actually need Aluminum Co., but it was still a small improvement in my economy and shaved a few turns off of my victory. I don't think any other use could have done the same. (I didn't need them for golden ages) Admittedly, I didn't arrive at that conclusion scientifically...

 

[King of Town]

I was playing a game with elizabeth and used ethanol. I had a ton of sugar and it gave me like 15 beakers. After modifiers it was a nice bonus and better than using the scientist ofr anyting else I think. I put it in all of my cities and my civ was running 3000+ beakers

 

[futurehermit]

I'll have to look more carefully at ethanol in the future. Scientists are a lot easier to generate than engineers...