The Soviet Union

[Captain2]

it makes sense, if you think of it, Putin is really communist acting, he has everything he does bringing to Soviet Union to glory, and the Ukrainian guy who got elected didnt want ties with Russia, ended up getting poisioned

 

[Archer 007]

And Red Dawn

Wonderful movie.

 

[SeleucusNicator]

it makes sense, if you think of it, Putin is really communist acting, he has everything he does bringing to Soviet Union to glory, and the Ukrainian guy who got elected didnt want ties with Russia, ended up getting poisioned

It will be interesting to see what happens with Putin in 2008. For a while in 2004, it did look like he was on his way to becoming a "Blue Tsar", but his popularity has fallen since.

Putin has certainly brought a sense of stability to Russia that it never had under Yeltsin or Gorbachev. I don't see that as a bad thing.

 

[homeyg]

Whoops wrong thread.

 

[Winner]

It will be interesting to see what happens with Putin in 2008. For a while in 2004, it did look like he was on his way to becoming a "Blue Tsar", but his popularity has fallen since.

Putin has certainly brought a sense of stability to Russia that it never had under Yeltsin or Gorbachev. I don't see that as a bad thing.

Either he becomes a premier again, while leaving the presidency for someone he can control (and strenghtening his own new position), or he simply changes the constitution, even if he now says he won't do it.

Anayway, it is clear that he brought the stability, the question is whether is it a good thing.

 

[Jawz II]

this thread sounds like this guy

http://www.thatcherthunders.org/ttruscom2.htm

trust me, you dont wanna sound like that guy

 

[Gelion]

Dear homeyg,
the KGB bureau 957-14B with general responsibility for CFC welcomes you. Our comrades just received their just pile of orders to unveil the terrible truth about plans of USSR. It is our great pleasure to inform you that you were right. The Plan “World Domination” was put into effect when the head bosses of the One and the Only Communist Party of the Soviet Union with its head Gorbachev realized that the country is developed enough to go for a total and complete domination of the whole world.
In 1986 phase one was launched codenamed “Fool the Enemy”. Liberalization of USSR and its satellites (brotherly nations) went according to plan. Revolutionary catchwords of “perestroika” and glasnost’” convinced the world that USSR was changing for the better. Masterfully created opposition groups in the Eastern European Nations fulfilled their purpose of convincing the West that it was breaking away from Soviet grip. A prior economic crisis engineered by the Soviet Union in those countries was even aided by the evil regime of the United States with regard to patents and oil. The generals of the Afghan war were told not to intercept American supplies in order to loose the war convincingly and show that USSR was collapsing militarily. Plus the safety of Soviet agent Regan in Washington had to be preserved. Now when West was caught in the game it was time to start the second phase of operation “Fake Liberty”
Masterfully the first “leader” of the plan Gorbachev was replaced by cunning agent Yeltzin who brought the new slogan “take as much sovereignty as you can take!” The policy carried out had to purposes 1) list all unhappy with blessed communist rule 2)create an impression of the breaking Empire in the West. Both worked perfectly and KGB archives were filled with millions of new files. Little did new local leaders know that they are still controlled from Moscow and that they will be dealt with when the time is right,
In order to disguise the new phase of the plan KGB was renamed into FSB, USSR into Russia and Soviet people into Russians. Of course we had to keep in secret that the nature of all three was left the same.
In order to mask the creation and buildup of weapons of new age the government undergone a few extra plans such as “faked ruble crisis”, “faked fall in the standards of living” and “fake fall of authority and law”.
Skillful KGB (FBS see above) agents engineered a few ethnic crisis on the territory of the broken Empire. Two goals were thus served: one of creating problems for the new regimes and the other to further convince the world that USSR (Russia for reference see above) is not a superpower anymore and should not be feared. Chechen Wars (both 1st and second) served this particular task very well by compromising Russian (Read Soviet) military forces and making sure that the West thinks that they are no threat. Of course all these policies were followed by great number of deaths of Russians (read Soviet) citizens especially in the Caucasus, but it was a necessary sacrifice for world domination. The families will forgive us. Of course a great number of non-Soviet (Ukrainians, Georgians, Chechens and Moldavians read treacherous liberated citizens) were killed too during this plan, but it brings warmth to our Russian (Soviet hearts).
The second phase of the plan also included engineered break up of industries, creation of massive diseases and poverty-related problems as well as rise in crime and violence. Staged break up of health, education and life support system worked 110% to an extent that US grip on further Russian modernization lessened seeing that no country can get up from sop much destruction. KGB figures suggest that Russia is loosing more men per year than during the times of WW2 (you are welcome to disagree with these Red as you say “filthy” facts). Perhaps the plan was a bit overdone.
But now we are in our third stage which is called “Shock and Domination”. In 1999 the reign of Russian Tsar (read Communist Party Head) Yeltzin was over and a colonel of our organization Mr. Putin took power (we are very proud of the fact and keep reminding every one we see that our leader came from the same circle as we). He was not a very bright man trying to repair the damage to the country whose only purpose is to show to the world that USSR is gone and ruined. But no….. inside Russia there are millions and millions of secret bases where best citizens work for many hours for s single and most noble goal. But more on that later. It seems that the leader forgot that he rules only a staged country and started to go against the plan. However the impression once done cannot be undone especially while all Soviet-built machinery and houses are breaking apart from old age. His foolish actions lead to loss of credibility and face abroad and by fighting for what he thinks is a real country he further complicated relations with nearly completely fooled and disarmed West.
However this is a time for another story tomorrow. If you survive. The real USSR that was hiding behind a ruined country will rise today. Our doomsday weapons are ready, each of our soldiers is a soldier of the future ready to operate in any part of the world and kill in the name of happiness for all. We know the location of every armed unit in the world and on the orbit. 100,000 of rockets of new generation secretly manufactured and 24hs a day targeted at USA (well most anyway). The bombing will begin in 5 minutes. We love you all and will liberate you from your illusions very soon. God Bless USSR and all atheists around the world!
With greatest possible respect and pity
Responsible for Ideology on CFC
Gelion the Red

P.S. It took me a while....... Seriously God save us from politicians.

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

Has anyone ever considered that the Soviet Union pretended to fall and become mostly democratic so the Western world will let down their guard, and once their guard has been let down enough, come out of their disguise and strike down on the west with a clenched fist? Is this idea plausable?

I heard that the Mongols have done something similar. In a few years Ghengis Khan will march an army out of a mountain and re-take what was lost all those years ago.

Oh, and no one expects the Spanish Inquisition

 

[Panda]

To answer the original question: No, never.

You should e-mail that idea to Trent Parker and Matt Stone, though.

 

[Xen]

Either he becomes a premier again, while leaving the presidency for someone he can control (and strenghtening his own new position), or he simply changes the constitution, even if he now says he won't do it.

Anayway, it is clear that he brought the stability, the question is whether is it a good thing.

and if he dosent do either, someone owes someone an apology!

 

[Commy]

The Soviet Union is what we in Political Science call an "empire"

If USSR was an empire, why the citizens of metropolia - Russians - lived worse than citizens of colonies?

Russia is an expansionist nation from its very beginning. This won't change now.

Yes, and we have high developed science because we have a scout in our begining

 

[Winner]

If USSR was an empire, why the citizens of metropolia - Russians - lived worse than citizens of colonies?

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There were surely parts of the Roman Empire, which were more developed than Italy itself. So what? The point is the central nation subjugated the less powerfull nations. That's what you did.

Yes, and we have high developed science because we have a scout in our begining

I mean that seriously. Russia has been continuously expanding its territory since its beginning.

 

[Gelion]

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There were surely parts of the Roman Empire, which were more developed than Italy itself. So what? The point is the central nation subjugated the less powerfull nations. That's what you did.

And the point? Most (I do really mean 99%) of Empire nations care for their main nationality. USSR did not with regard to Russians.

I mean that seriously. Russia has been continuously expanding its territory since its beginning.

It not that different from the history of France, China, USA and most other majour powers. Just think about it. Even Moraiva expanded before it was colonised by the Austrians (hey I am using your language)....

 

[Winner]

And the point? Most (I do really mean 99%) of Empire nations care for their main nationality. USSR did not with regard to Russians.

Nah, it just didn't do it officially, that's all.

It not that different from the history of France, China, USA and most other majour powers. Just think about it. Even Moraiva expanded before it was colonised by the Austrians (hey I am using your language)....

It is not, in principle, yes. The Russian expansion is just on much larger scale. France expanded to what it saw as a "natural" borders (Rhein, Alps, Pyrenees). Almost every nation has some limits, some goals of its expansion. The Russia don't, it's just the more the better.

Great Moravia wasn't colonised, it was destroyed by the Magyars.

 

[Gelion]

Nah, it just didn't do it officially, that's all.

meaning you can't back it up? Interesting......

It is not, in principle, yes. The Russian expansion is just on much larger scale. France expanded to what it saw as a "natural" borders (Rhein, Alps, Pyrenees). Almost every nation has some limits, some goals of its expansion. The Russia don't, it's just the more the better.

Great Moravia wasn't colonised, it was destroyed by the Magyars.

Just think about USA expansion.... then Chinese then British? Where do you think their national borders are? I think you made a silly point by forgeting history of most great nations. As for Moravia it was finally colonized by Austrians and became a part of their Empire, didn't it?

 

[Winner]

meaning you can't back it up? Interesting......

Official language? Russian. Capital? Moscow. Leadership - mostly Russians.

I don't have to back it up, it is pretty self-evident.

Just think about USA expansion.... then Chinese then British? Where do you think their national borders are? I think you made a silly point by forgeting history of most great nations. As for Moravia it was finally colonized by Austrians and became a part of their Empire, didn't it?

European colonial rule is different from the Russian expansion. The Britain never tried to make it's colonies a part of Britain itself. On the other hand, Russia is absorbing more and more territory. But in fact, you're right, every nation has tried to expand its borders.

Moravia become part of the Czech kingdom, which has lasted to the 20th century, as a part of the Austrian Empire since 16th century. The Czech lands were inherited, not colonised or conquered.

 

[homeyg]

Dear homeyg,
the KGB bureau 957-14B with general responsibility for CFC welcomes you. Our comrades just received their just pile of orders to unveil the terrible truth about plans of USSR. It is our great pleasure to inform you that you were right. The Plan “World Domination” was put into effect when the head bosses of the One and the Only Communist Party of the Soviet Union with its head Gorbachev realized that the country is developed enough to go for a total and complete domination of the whole world.
In 1986 phase one was launched codenamed “Fool the Enemy”. Liberalization of USSR and its satellites (brotherly nations) went according to plan. Revolutionary catchwords of “perestroika” and glasnost’” convinced the world that USSR was changing for the better. Masterfully created opposition groups in the Eastern European Nations fulfilled their purpose of convincing the West that it was breaking away from Soviet grip. A prior economic crisis engineered by the Soviet Union in those countries was even aided by the evil regime of the United States with regard to patents and oil. The generals of the Afghan war were told not to intercept American supplies in order to loose the war convincingly and show that USSR was collapsing militarily. Plus the safety of Soviet agent Regan in Washington had to be preserved. Now when West was caught in the game it was time to start the second phase of operation “Fake Liberty”
Masterfully the first “leader” of the plan Gorbachev was replaced by cunning agent Yeltzin who brought the new slogan “take as much sovereignty as you can take!” The policy carried out had to purposes 1) list all unhappy with blessed communist rule 2)create an impression of the breaking Empire in the West. Both worked perfectly and KGB archives were filled with millions of new files. Little did new local leaders know that they are still controlled from Moscow and that they will be dealt with when the time is right,
In order to disguise the new phase of the plan KGB was renamed into FSB, USSR into Russia and Soviet people into Russians. Of course we had to keep in secret that the nature of all three was left the same.
In order to mask the creation and buildup of weapons of new age the government undergone a few extra plans such as “faked ruble crisis”, “faked fall in the standards of living” and “fake fall of authority and law”.
Skillful KGB (FBS see above) agents engineered a few ethnic crisis on the territory of the broken Empire. Two goals were thus served: one of creating problems for the new regimes and the other to further convince the world that USSR (Russia for reference see above) is not a superpower anymore and should not be feared. Chechen Wars (both 1st and second) served this particular task very well by compromising Russian (Read Soviet) military forces and making sure that the West thinks that they are no threat. Of course all these policies were followed by great number of deaths of Russians (read Soviet) citizens especially in the Caucasus, but it was a necessary sacrifice for world domination. The families will forgive us. Of course a great number of non-Soviet (Ukrainians, Georgians, Chechens and Moldavians read treacherous liberated citizens) were killed too during this plan, but it brings warmth to our Russian (Soviet hearts).
The second phase of the plan also included engineered break up of industries, creation of massive diseases and poverty-related problems as well as rise in crime and violence. Staged break up of health, education and life support system worked 110% to an extent that US grip on further Russian modernization lessened seeing that no country can get up from sop much destruction. KGB figures suggest that Russia is loosing more men per year than during the times of WW2 (you are welcome to disagree with these Red as you say “filthy” facts). Perhaps the plan was a bit overdone.
But now we are in our third stage which is called “Shock and Domination”. In 1999 the reign of Russian Tsar (read Communist Party Head) Yeltzin was over and a colonel of our organization Mr. Putin took power (we are very proud of the fact and keep reminding every one we see that our leader came from the same circle as we). He was not a very bright man trying to repair the damage to the country whose only purpose is to show to the world that USSR is gone and ruined. But no….. inside Russia there are millions and millions of secret bases where best citizens work for many hours for s single and most noble goal. But more on that later. It seems that the leader forgot that he rules only a staged country and started to go against the plan. However the impression once done cannot be undone especially while all Soviet-built machinery and houses are breaking apart from old age. His foolish actions lead to loss of credibility and face abroad and by fighting for what he thinks is a real country he further complicated relations with nearly completely fooled and disarmed West.
However this is a time for another story tomorrow. If you survive. The real USSR that was hiding behind a ruined country will rise today. Our doomsday weapons are ready, each of our soldiers is a soldier of the future ready to operate in any part of the world and kill in the name of happiness for all. We know the location of every armed unit in the world and on the orbit. 100,000 of rockets of new generation secretly manufactured and 24hs a day targeted at USA (well most anyway). The bombing will begin in 5 minutes. We love you all and will liberate you from your illusions very soon. God Bless USSR and all atheists around the world!
With greatest possible respect and pity
Responsible for Ideology on CFC
Gelion the Red

P.S. It took me a while....... Seriously God save us from politicians.

WOW! That's the best post I've read in a long time!

 

[Stylesjl]

In reply to the really long post above

That is great, those sneaky commies!

 

[Gelion]

Official language? Russian. Capital? Moscow. Leadership - mostly Russians.

I don't have to back it up, it is pretty self-evident.

Local languages were there, local capitals and autonomies existed. Crimea for example (mostly Russian) was given to Ukraine. You are sure it served Russian interests? And 1000s of Russian people killed by Lithuanian Red Riflemen? Seceret plan to compromise poor Latvians? % wise what was the make up of GULAG? Your claims would look nice except for the fact that they weren't true. Whole regions of Siberia recieved less money than Lativa is Soviet days.
As for the leadership just name me one truly Russian Soviet leader (besides Gorbachev, we know what he did don't we?)?

European colonial rule is different from the Russian expansion. The Britain never tried to make it's colonies a part of Britain itself. On the other hand, Russia is absorbing more and more territory. But in fact, you're right, every nation has tried to expand its borders.

Scotland *cough* cough* Ireland *cough cough* Wales *cough cough* so lets leave it there ok?

Moravia become part of the Czech kingdom, which has lasted to the 20th century, as a part of the Austrian Empire since 16th century. The Czech lands were inherited, not colonised or conquered.

who cares, colonized people anyway

 

[Shaihulud]

And the great leader Lenin will be revived from his coffin and lead his glorious nation!