The story of a fiasco

[Sonereal]

I´m more and more convinced that you guys are the biggest cry-babies on the internet.

You clearly have not seen a thread about grenade launchers on a Call of Duty board yet.

 

[lynxxyarly]

It's unbelievable how many people can't seem to grasp how to keep the game from updating. I've seen it mentioned on this forum more times than I have posted in threads my whole time on this forum.

 

[Naokaukodem]

I've never had a problem conquering other cities

Me neither, but it happened in my previous-patch games to lack iron, so... and btw, i was always using horses.

and it's possible just to set the amount of resources on a map to "Legendary" or something.

I won't start to tweak the game because of bad game design.

Cultural policies can be stored if you go to the Advance Option menu so that's another point against your point.

It can't once the game is started. That's what happened to me.

 

[Dale]

First, I liked Civ5. I had nothing against Steam, I was even enthousiastic,
considering it could allow a better vision of mods.

The thing is, there is still not any mod we can access through Steam.
First disappointment.

And now, the new patch. Heck, I was saving Social Policies to have this big one
when you have +5 production in every city. I axed my strategy on it. My game
is screwed. I was 5 turns away of Biology and Industrial Era.

The new patch sucks.

Nice, I didn't even noticed that the patch installed. Not any mention of it nowhere.

Now, Steam and the auto-patch. Nice, I can't play my games with the previous
versions anymore. If the patch mess up something, what it did this time,
I just can't continue to play the old version for a while.

I hadn't anything against Steam. But now that i saw that we can't really install
mods from it, and that it auto-updates the game, I feel It really SUCKS big balls.
Steam is useless, and i can't even sell my game without robbing someone.

Steam sucks.

And now, the horses are nerfed. I can already read some cool story of people
that can't conquer because they have no iron and horses can't properly conquer
cities anymore... WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? Are you kidding? No. Real story bro. OMG.

Steam sucks. The new patch sucks.

I want to sell my game. But i can't. Nice again.

New patch sucks, Steam sucks, Civ5 sucks, FIRAXIS SUCKS.

Go To HeLl.

So basically you're pissed off that the two biggest exploits in the game were closed off?

You admit yourself you highly exploited social policies "to have this big one
when you have +5 production in every city".

You admit yourself to using the Biology exploit (where it cost half as many beakers as any other industrial tech to reach).

Boo hoo, have a cry. Now you'll actually have to learn how to play the game properly rather than CHEATING!

 

[Islet]

So basically you're pissed off that the two biggest exploits in the game were closed off?

You admit yourself you highly exploited social policies "to have this big one
when you have +5 production in every city".

You admit yourself to using the Biology exploit (where it cost half as many beakers as any other industrial tech to reach).

Boo hoo, have a cry. Now you'll actually have to learn how to play the game properly rather than CHEATING!

OP's angry because of savegame incompatibility with the patch. Pre-patch, it was a completely sound strategy to save up for the Order tree, nothing wrong with that.

 

[Naokaukodem]

So basically you're pissed off that the two biggest exploits in the game were closed off?

You admit yourself you highly exploited social policies "to have this big one
when you have +5 production in every city".

You admit yourself to using the Biology exploit (where it cost half as many beakers as any other industrial tech to reach).

Boo hoo, have a cry. Now you'll actually have to learn how to play the game properly rather than CHEATING!

LOL. I didn't know researching the fatest tech was an exploit... see, i watched TMIT Civ5 walkthrough, and saw that with high production cities he could barely city-spam on the map coast. In my next game, i wanted to reproduce this, but i saw that a SP gave 2 more hammer EVERYWHERE on the the map, not only on coast. I thought this was kick-assing. So i started to save policies... I don't know if i would have have enough SP when reaching Industrial Age, but i wanted to see... I bet I would have the exact required number.. Anyway, the game said to me that i could use those SPs only on Industrial Era... Darn it, it's pretty long. So I looked for the cheaper tech path for Industrial Era... and that was Biology, as there were only 2 techs in the entrance of Industrial Era and that the other one (don't recall its name) had nearly all the past techs as requirement. I didn't even take care of the Biology price, that was just the shorter path, so I don't see what you are talking about. Even if Biology would have been more expensive than the other tech, I would have take it because it was reachable in no time compared to the other tech. that's all.

OP's angry because of savegame incompatibility with the patch. Pre-patch, it was a completely sound strategy to save up for the Order tree, nothing wrong with that.

Exactly!

 

[Naokaukodem]

It's unbelievable how many people can't seem to grasp how to keep the game from updating. I've seen it mentioned on this forum more times than I have posted in threads my whole time on this forum.

And how should I have know that there was an incentive for not patching in the first place? First time i discovered we couldn't save policies by default anymore with the new patch, it was in multiplayer and i thought it was a bug... that's just a sum of things that makes the situation unclear, confusing and contestable.

That's just another mess from Firaxis, and to say all I'm starting to think, after the warm Civ3, the awful Civ4 and other games that have been highly criticized, that Firaxis is not as nearly as capable that they want us to believe.

 

[Androrc the Orc]

I won't start to tweak the game because of bad game design.

Why not? That's called making it more to your liking.

 

[Naokaukodem]

Why not? That's called making it more to your liking.

It makes not much sense to me. If we tweak the game in our favor, then it's a little like cheating. However, you're right, I did this with Civ4BTS. But it was so unplayable that I hadn't that much choice. I'm trying to avoid it the most possible, only doing it in desperate cases. Civ5 without the last patch is decent, much more than Civ4. But horse nerfing is not my only problem.

 

[Dale]

LOL. I didn't know researching the fatest tech was an exploit... see, i watched TMIT Civ5 walkthrough, and saw that with high production cities he could barely city-spam on the map coast. In my next game, i wanted to reproduce this, but i saw that a SP gave 2 more hammer EVERYWHERE on the the map, not only on coast. I thought this was kick-assing. So i started to save policies... I don't know if i would have have enough SP when reaching Industrial Age, but i wanted to see... I bet I would have the exact required number.. Anyway, the game said to me that i could use those SPs only on Industrial Era... Darn it, it's pretty long. So I looked for the cheaper tech path for Industrial Era... and that was Biology, as there were only 2 techs in the entrance of Industrial Era and that the other one (don't recall its name) had nearly all the past techs as requirement. I didn't even take care of the Biology price, that was just the shorter path, so I don't see what you are talking about. Even if Biology would have been more expensive than the other tech, I would have take it because it was reachable in no time compared to the other tech. that's all.

Pretty ironic that the other tech is "Steam".

 

[aguds]

..Civ5 without the last patch is decent, much more than Civ4..

Ok, you lost.

 

[grandad1982]

Civ5 without the last patch is decent, much more than Civ4. But horse nerfing is not my only problem.

This along with your earlier comment about C3C being the best civ make me wonder why you don't like civ5 that much. I understand your thing about steam but not the gameplay.

I'll keep playing civ5 personally but only in the hope it'll have the depth of BTS one day.

 

[EmpireOfCats]

Fighting with Microsoft stuff is enough.

Come to the light side. We have apples (seriously).

 

[Naokaukodem]

Pretty ironic that the other tech is "Steam".

LOL hehe

Ok, you lost.

It's YOU who lost. First "hahaha" and now that. Put more thinking into your 94 posts unless you want to be seen as a nerd of passage.

This along with your earlier comment about C3C being the best civ make me wonder why you don't like civ5 that much. I understand your thing about steam but not the gameplay.

To say all horses nerf is not that bad but that breaks with the game too harshly IMO. Horses for land units, swords for cities, the thing is that iron is too rare and that i love fast move units like horses in Civ games.

 

[Rohili]

First time i discovered we couldn't save policies by default anymore with the new patch, it was in multiplayer and i thought it was a bug... that's just a sum of things that makes the situation unclear, confusing and contestable.

That's your own fault for not keeping up with news about the patch. 2K Greg had been updating the community about the patch changes well before the patch came out. The inability to save policies was clearly documented and hotly discussed by many people.

Also, I find it hard to believe that you didn't even know that the game was patched. When you launched the game, you should have seen your Steam client downloading a huge file. The patch notes were also there for you to peruse.

 

[Naokaukodem]

That's your own fault for not keeping up with news about the patch. 2K Greg had been updating the community about the patch changes well before the patch came out. The inability to save policies was clearly documented and hotly discussed by many people.

That's my fault if I was not interested in patch logs? I see it as so: it is the fault of Firaxis who did not get me interested in their patch. The only thing I was interested in the patch was multiplayer lags, freezes, lobby bugs and and so on, because that's why i BOUGHT the game in the first place.

Also, I find it hard to believe that you didn't even know that the game was patched. When you launched the game, you should have seen your Steam client downloading a huge file. The patch notes were also there for you to peruse.

I must have a super-uber connection as I only did notice some lag at launching the game once, but there was no logs, remarks or anything like that. The best thing of course would have been to prompt the player if he wants to patch, butI doubt it is the case anyway it was not the case for me.

 

[JohnnyW]

So when you put this:

First, I liked Civ5. I had nothing against Steam, I was even enthousiastic,
considering it could allow a better vision of mods.

The thing is, there is still not any mod we can access through Steam.
First disappointment.

And this together:

It makes not much sense to me. If we tweak the game in our favor, then it's a little like cheating. However, you're right, I did this with Civ4BTS. But it was so unplayable that I hadn't that much choice. I'm trying to avoid it the most possible, only doing it in desperate cases. Civ5 without the last patch is decent, much more than Civ4. But horse nerfing is not my only problem.

What do you get? Either you like "cheating" (go mod the game to your liking), or you don't and are simply exaggerating your OP to sound more negative than it needs to be. Either way you're not being 100% honest.


And to this:

That's my fault if I was not interested in patch logs? I see it as so: it is the fault of Firaxis who did not get me interested in their patch. The only thing I was interested in the patch was multiplayer lags, freezes, lobby bugs and and so on, because that's why i BOUGHT the game in the first place.

...so you're interested in the patch, but you're not interested in the patch, and Firaxis should have made you interested in the patch, yet even though you were interested in the patch (which you weren't) you didn't check the changes, or if you did you only checked what was relevant to you, which was the multiplayer stuff, yet the other stuff was apparently relevant to you as well since it messed up your game?

....

 

[ohioastronomy]

It is very tricky to avoid getting updates with Steam. In fact, once updated is it possible to revert to a prior version under any circumstances? e.g. if you dislike the changes in this patch, and Steam updated it for you...tough luck for you.

In pre-Steam Civs you could reinstall version 1.0 and add whichever patches struck your fancy. That's no longer true, correct?

 

[Naokaukodem]

JohnnyW I'm thinking that you are looking for the little bug...

So when you put this:

And this together:

What do you get? Either you like "cheating" (go mod the game to your liking), or you don't and are simply exaggerating your OP to sound more negative than it needs to be. Either way you're not being 100% honest.

The mods i like are the ones that add really or transform the game, not those which do basic tweaks; that's not because i'm open minded to mods that i like to cheat.

And to this:

...so you're interested in the patch

Where did you see that?

you didn't check the changes, or if you did you only checked what was relevant to you, which was the multiplayer stuff

You are trying to reason by absurdity here but even like that that pretty doesn't work... I just said i was not interested by the patch, because with Civ4 I was reading pretty each bit of 'Civ', which i didn't do this time. I just read one time long ago the changes, but they have been updated and i didn't bother to read them again, that's all. Don't ask me why, this is probably some philosophical existing question but to say all i have my little idea on that: I felt Civ4 very rude and was eager to see it improved, on the contrary i felt Civ5 to be ok so i didn't feel any need of change for now as i was playing.

yet the other stuff was apparently relevant to you as well since it messed up your game?

How the hell could i have guess that they would do stupid changes like default not being able to save policies? Maybe I should have back in the future and ask hey Doc, do you know if Civ5 will be wrongly patched I fear for my children!

It is very tricky to avoid getting updates with Steam. In fact, once updated is it possible to revert to a prior version under any circumstances? e.g. if you dislike the changes in this patch, and Steam updated it for you...tough luck for you.

In pre-Steam Civs you could reinstall version 1.0 and add whichever patches struck your fancy. That's no longer true, correct?

Reading that thread i think that anyway even if you uninstall and reinstall, the game will prompt you to be updated once, so i'm pretty freaked.

 

[JohnnyW]

The only thing I will respond to about your post is this:

Where did you see that?

I saw it here:

The only thing I was interested in the patch was multiplayer lags, freezes, lobby bugs and and so on, because that's why i BOUGHT the game in the first place.

I won't respond to the rest because I sense there is potentially a language barrier that might have/be causing some misunderstandings.