The Suggestion for Majapahit

[H4run]

Well if historical influence is the overriding factor for including a civ in the main game, then they need to add the Spanish, Dutch, Byzantines, Mayans, Koreans, Portuguese, Sumerians, and Vikings before they even CONSIDER flavor civs like the Javanese

Well yes according to that period, Majapahit are less influence in world scope. But according to worldly influence, instead Majapahit, Samudera Pasai or Aceh Sultanate (as i observe) are more influental and most old and long lasting empire in Indonesia. Since they battling English and Dutch for hundreds year giving them bad time, and failing their campaign causing them internal economic crisis. And they being defeated after long tired war at Sabil War, then occupied at 1904 by the dutch. According to Pramoedya Ananta Toer (his book, Jejak Langkah), Aceh are the strongest empire and the last empire in Indonesia that yeild to the dutch (Bali come after them).

They also have strong relation with the Ottoman sultanate and issue to have some sort of "communication" with french.

this site can offer banner/flag, weapon information, map, and other about Aceh Sultanate.

http://www.allempires.net/aceh_topic19709_post500127.html

they also have a female leader and heroine, suprise suprise, at last Cathrine and Mrs Wu can have a new friend here :

http://www.asnlf.com/asnlf_int/acheh/history/tjutnyakdhien/tjoet_njak_dien.htm

touchy biography of Tjoet Njak Dien.

 

[Zenstrive]

Good that we are having discussions here. Haroon, you may want to make a separate thread for The Aceh Sultanate.

 

[H4run]

im sorry if it to be out of topic, i thought it's still be fit because the scope are still arround Indonesia, but yeah, it's about Majapahit, mine mistake then.

 

[Pratputajao]

i can support this; I like the idea. good luck . Srivijaya would be interesting as well. SE Asia has a very dynamic history, I would love to see more kingdoms and empires (Toungoo Burmese, Champa, Vietnam, Lan Xang, Lanna
along with the obvious..) from this region of the world. A good SEA scenario would be good set about 1500 AD, lots going on then.

 

[Zenstrive]

Hey, that's a good idea, Pratputajao

 

[Zenstrive]

Bump, for the sake of bump

 

[BenZL43]

Well if historical influence is the overriding factor for including a civ in the main game, then they need to add the Spanish, Dutch, Byzantines, Mayans, Koreans, Portuguese, Sumerians, and Vikings before they even CONSIDER flavor civs like the Javanese

Okay, again we have to admit that Majapahit weren't so influential in the world, or in Europe, or in Near east or so-whatever.. but if you take a look at Southeast Asia, Majapahit is a really big empires.. larger than Khmer Siam Pagan or so-whatever did.. And well, I think Korean weren't really influential in the world either.. and Mayan or Aztecs, luckily, they were still around when Spanish came in so their culture is known to the old world..
This is just my argument, no offense.

 

[dagriggstar]

I've always wondered, what the difference between Sri Vijaya and the Majapahit civs would be in the game ?

I've always slightly favoured Sri Vijaya as I feel they would be just alittle more unique and would be more "early naval advantage" based. eg

UA - Entrepot of Asia - Naval trade routes yield double gold until the discovery of Astronomy
UB - Candi - Same
UU - Some sort of settler that can embark from the start of the game.

 

[Zenstrive]

dagriggstar, Majapahit is much influential, has larger domain, and altogether stronger.

btw, your suggested UA is pretty much weak, because harbor requires compass, and I think that's only one step from Astronomy? When you finisih up harbor, you get astronomy, CMIIW.

 

[HorribleHarald]

Nice suggestion, but there are more good Southeast Asian kingdoms worth of taking with; Burma, Vietnam, Khmer. Now we have Siam in this time.

 

[Zenstrive]

Nice suggestion, but there are more good Southeast Asian kingdoms worth of taking with; Burma, Vietnam, Khmer. Now we have Siam in this time.

Dude, Majapahit was easily twice their size combined.

 

[jabbawackybacky]

Indonesia, burma, vietnam would all work, same w khmer, but there is no archipelago civ from indonesia and there is siam for mainland se asia.

 

[Tee Kay]

Dude, Majapahit was easily twice their size combined.

Lolwut?

 

[Zenstrive]

Lolwut?

check it out

 

[Tee Kay]

check it out

No, you check it out. Majapahit was probably not twice the size of mainland Southeast Asia.

 

[Zenstrive]

Check out Khmer

Now Check out Majapahit

Now let's compare

Sea and Water domain combined, Majapahit is almost twice the size.

 

[Tee Kay]

Now Check out Majapahit

Misleading map is misleading.

Medieval Southeast Asian vassal states weren't integral parts of an empire and for all practical purposes were independent states.

Sea and Water domain combined, Majapahit is almost twice the size.

Maritime claims are dubious and it is also cheating. You don't count seas under British influence when talking about the territorial size of the British Empire, do you?

 

[Zenstrive]

Maritime claims are dubious and it is also cheating. You don't count seas under British influence when talking about the territorial size of the British Empire, do you?

Eh, why not? Empire's domain is both land and water, that's why warships exist.

 

[dilettante]

Bumping for Support! Pls. firaxis

I support the Majapahit empire being part of Civ5. I'm Filipino by birth so my ancestors came from Srivijayans and the Majapahits (Malays and Indones along with the Spaniards and Chinese, what a mix of peoples).

Yes I am aware that we were part of the Thassolocracy of the Majapahits (Srivijayas earlier than that) and not a main city-state of said empire... in any case, it's still nice to be represented.

 

[Sonereal]

Eh, why not? Empire's domain is both land and water, that's why warships exist.

"I only count them when it benefits my argument."