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The Tribal Elders of Delphi

Discussion in 'Civ5 - Stories & Let's Plays' started by mrkingkong, Mar 19, 2014.

  1. Gurra09

    Gurra09 Guru of Hekkia

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    Yeah, I got that. Puppeted cities should only vote for their favourite, and give that candidate one seat.

    I'm just getting into details as the legislation would still need to be reworded, because if settled/annexed cities get two votes with one vote electing one seat - then if nothing changes the Establishment of Voting Rights Act would give puppeted cities two votes with one vote electing half a seat. And that's not the result you're looking for. ;)
     
  2. Melda

    Melda Wannabe Psephologist

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    Just a thought on "one vote".

    Given that there would be thousands of votes cast in each neighbourhood (and they wouldn't all be for the winning candidate who takes the seat/s), what explicitly is codified by "the vote"?

    The votes cast by all the voters in a neighbourhood can be referred to as "the vote", so I personally would be satisfied that there's enough ambiguity to not require legislation. Not that my thoughts alone are the be all end all or anything. ;)

    If anyone disagrees with my reading on this the next Synedrion could clarify this if enough players agree with the proposal. :)
     
  3. Gurra09

    Gurra09 Guru of Hekkia

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    OOC (this whole post): I made a quick draft for a Synedrion Election Act, circumventing the word 'vote' altogether and allowing for the system Melda proposed. If the players like it we can take it up officially in the Synedrion and pass it when the next Synedrion has been elected. :)

    Note that voting rights as mentioned in (1) means which neighbourhoods are eligible to vote. In the current case that means aristocratic and priestly neighbourhoods. So don't be scared by the mentioning of "all cities" because (2) and (3) states the actual number of Synedroi elected by the different types of cities.

    Also note that "elect two Synedroi each" allows for two Synedroi loyal to the same faction to be elected by a neighbourhood. This allows for Melda to simulate one neighbourhood putting all their votes to one player if they really like them and really dislike all the others.
     
  4. Melda

    Melda Wannabe Psephologist

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    Because I initiated this proposal it won't have any positive or negative attitudinal consequences for anyone who supports or opposes it.
     
  5. Wyverncraft

    Wyverncraft ¡Viva la Revolución!

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    Well, this sounds alright to me. I support it.
     
  6. Melda

    Melda Wannabe Psephologist

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    Also I'll be home this afternoon or this evening in my timezone (GMT+10, i.e. it's 0920 now) so I will be aiming to have those hints out by the time I go to sleep tonight.
     
  7. Melda

    Melda Wannabe Psephologist

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    Okay, hints were distributed a few hours ago. I have additional in-game screenshots that I'll post tomorrow to help anyone who can't load the savegame in Civ.

    I'll let the election campaign run until Wednesday evening my time, which is [timer=09/16/2015 08:00 AM UTC;Expired][/timer] away.
     
  8. Wyverncraft

    Wyverncraft ¡Viva la Revolución!

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    People of Delphi! In the past Synedrion, we saw some strides toward the right future, sch as the new religious policy, but other things were executed just as backward as the always were. If I have more power in the next Synedrion, I will be able to bring about great changes, such as the construction of several new engines of war, and the putting of pressure on the Dutch to fight us. Soon we will be marching over our enemies bodies once again! Support The Greatness of Delphi! Support Eurydice!
     
  9. Wyverncraft

    Wyverncraft ¡Viva la Revolución!

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    "Vague promises of war" had gotten a bit tiresome.
    Usher in the age of "Specific promises of war"!
     
  10. Gurra09

    Gurra09 Guru of Hekkia

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    Delphians! Under the rule of Chief Minister Leonidas our kingdom has achieved great progress. Thanks to a increased focus on science, literacy rates have gone up from 31% to 37% in these last twenty years - rising from fifth to third place in literacy rates world-wide. Our population has nearly doubled in that time with our crop yield being the greatest known to man, and the Delphian economy is booming with our GNP rising from 126 to 178 million Gold - we are now the biggest economy in the known world.

    I know these might just be a bunch of numbers to most of you, but I assure you that I will follow in Leonidas' footsteps and continue to improve our kingdom. I have already told you some of my plans for Delphi's future and if you elect me, Filippos from Primos, as the next Chief Minister of Delphi I will in addition to those also seek to accomplish the following:

     
  11. Melda

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    As promised, albeit later than hoped, here are the info screens to help inform your campaigns:

    Production lists

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    Social policies

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    Research

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    Espionage

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    Trade routes

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    Neighbourhoods

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  12. MiguelBazil

    MiguelBazil The "Always Late" One

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    I'll be reading everything when possible, time hasn't been a lot, and I'll try to campaign something basic asap.

    EDIT: I'll add stuff for my campaign here, as time allows

    * Adoption of Oligarchy for all the benefits it will bring (less money spent on garrisons, and adoption of the quadra-free aqueduct project) (agree with Gurra)

    * Establish the Artists Guild asap. (agree with Gurra)

    *A University should be built also in Apollonia when its Colosseum is done (agree with Gurra)

    * All the previous Siamese cities, north of our capital, should get farms near water, and some trading posts on the non-river areas

    * Tech wise: Compass > Chivalry > Printing Press.

    OOC:
    @Melda do we have Caravansaries anywhere? I'd like to get one at least, on a city that should become the center of our gold-trading routes.
     
  13. Gurra09

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    OOC: I believe there is a Caravansery in Delphi Nova already if I'm not mistaken, that is why Leonidas sent our trade routes a decade or so ago to trade between Delphi Nova and China (most profitable). The fact that we can't build one there is a hint that there is one aswell.
     
  14. Melda

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    Without loading up the game from this image I can see that Delphi Nova is the only city which can't build a caravansary --- and from memory, yes it does have one (took a bit for my memory to kick into gear there!).
     
  15. Melda

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    Love it.

    These are trebuchet, yes?
     
  16. Wyverncraft

    Wyverncraft ¡Viva la Revolución!

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  17. MiguelBazil

    MiguelBazil The "Always Late" One

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    Well, if we have a caravansary, then I don't have something to add there.

    Tech wise, I'd like to go Compass > Chivalry > Printing Press.
     
  18. Melda

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    Melodios Phrenopoulos, royal secretary to the Basileus led his guest through the palace. His father, Phrenios, the former royal secretary had taught him all he knew, and had helped him greatly during the recent Synedrian election.

    Finally he reached the throne room, and presented his guest to the waiting monarch.

    "Your Highness, may I present to you---"

    "Ah, welcome, welcome!" the Basileus interrupted gleefully, extending his hand to the waiting faction leader.

    "Congratulations on becoming the new Chief Minister. Majority government, hey? Haven't seen that since the Kirillos was Chief Minister!"

    "Thank you, Your Highness---" the Chief Minister-designate attempted to reply before the Basileus interrupted again.

    "Melodios, introduce him properly!"

    "Yes, sire," the royal secretary gritted with faux respect to his impossible master. "May I present to you the leader whose faction won a majority of seats in the Synedrion: Filippos from Primos."


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    Yes, congratulations Gurra on your victory, and on winning a majority --- this hasn't been seen since the 1st Synedrion!

    This means Gurra can force his will upon the Synedrion, if he should wish to do so. But this doesn't mean other players are irrelevant --- your job will be to hold him to account and give him grief if he does things you don't think he should be doing or if you think he's breaking any promises or doing things he didn't campaign on. Every action he proposes will be put to a vote, and how you vote will be noticed by the neighbourhoods you're proudly representing.

    If you have any questions feel free to ask me in thread, by PM or on Steam. :)

    This should be a fairly quick term of government, I would expect.

    Anyway, onto the full results! (which are more nuanced than the outcome would seem to indicate)

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    Delphian Synedrion election, 190

    The Delphian Council held an election to choose members of the 4th Delphian Synedrion in 190. It was the fourth Synedrian election held in the Delphian Kingdom. Suffrage was limited to the upper class of all cities, specifically the aristocracy and the priesthood.

    Results of the Delphian Synedrian election, 190

    Franchise: All aristocratic and priestly neighbourhoods in the kingdom eligible to vote in the elections. Cities administered by the capital returned two Synedroi for each neighbourhood while cities with self-government each returned only one Synedros per neighbourhood.

    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4 Column 5 Column 6
    Number Change % Change
    Eligible neighbourhoods 21 ±0 35.6 -3.3
    Eligible voters 49,367 +11,617 2.5 ±0




    Column 1
    Delphian Synedrian election, 190
    Summary of votes per candidate

    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4 Column 5 Column 6 Column 7
    Allegiance Seats Change % Swing (%)
    ██ Filippos from Primos 22 +5 64.7 +14.7
    ██ Eurydice Nepides 8 -2 23.5 -5.9
    ██ Kirillos Christides 4 -3 11.8 -8.8
    Total 34 ±0




    Results by city

    Delphian Synedrian election, 190; Delphi Nova

    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4
    Neighbourhood Class Allegiance Comments
    Demia Aristocrat Filippos Spreading Hellenism, World Congress vote, Oligarchy, Compass
    Lithos Priest Filippos Spreading Hellenism, World Congress vote
    Telos Priest Filippos Spreading Hellenism, World Congress vote
    Feros Aristocrat Filippos Spreading Hellenism, World Congress vote, Oligarchy, Compass
    Kenetrios Aristocrat Eurydice War
    Valua Aristocrat Eurydice Home neighbourhood, war
    Kalkis Aristocrat Filippos Spreading Hellenism, World Congress vote, Oligarchy, Compass



    Delphian Synedrian election, 190; Kirrha

    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4
    Neighbourhood Class Allegiance Comments
    Primos Aristocrat Filippos Home neighbourhood, World Congress vote, Oligarchy, Compass
    Halos Aristocrat Eurydice War



    Delphian Synedrian election, 190; Dostana

    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4
    Neighbourhood Class Allegiance Comments
    Archa Aristocrat Filippos Spreading Hellenism, World Congress vote, Oligarchy, Compass, trading post
    Loquia Priest Filippos Spreading Hellenism, World Congress vote
    Mera Aristocrat Filippos World Congress vote, Oligarchy, Compass, trading post



    Delphian Synedrian election, 190; Apollonia

    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4
    Neighbourhood Class Allegiance Comments
    Agos Aristocrat Eurydice War



    Delphian Synedrian election, 190; Si Satchanalai

    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4
    Neighbourhood Class Allegiance Comments
    Baan Kaw Too Aristocrat Kirillos Oligarchy, Compass, trading post
    Baan Doi Phu Luit Aristocrat Filippos World Congress vote, Oligarchy, Compass
    Baan Baan Koo Aristocrat Kirillos Oligarchy, Compass, trading post



    Delphian Synedrian election, 190; Muang Saluang

    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4
    Neighbourhood Class Allegiance Comments
    Baan Na Koo Aristocrat Kirillos Oligarchy, Compass, trading post
    Baan Na Daam Aristocrat Filippos World Congress vote, Oligarchy, Compass



    Delphian Synedrian election, 190; Sukhothai

    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4
    Neighbourhood Class Allegiance Comments
    Baan Haat Krai Aristocrat Filippos Enfranchising artists, World Congress vote, Oligarchy, Compass, trading post
    Baan Non Buan Aristocrat Filippos World Congress vote, Oligarchy, Compass, trading post
    Baan Non Luit Aristocrat Kirillos Oligarchy, Compass, trading post




    Summary of attitude types

    Column 1 Column 2
    Attitude Description
    Rapturous They want to deify you
    Loving They love you
    Pleased They are very pleased with you
    Impressed They are impressed with you
    Interested They are interested in what you have to say
    Ambivalent The voters in this neighbourhood have no strong opinion of you at all
    Uninterested They are not interested in what you have to say
    Unimpressed They are not impressed with you at all
    Displeased They are decidedly displeased with you
    Hateful They hate you
    Murderous They would murder you on sight



    Attitudes per neighbourhood

    Boldface indicates most favoured candidate.
    *Indicates minority group has franchise.

    Neighbourhood attitudes, 190; Delphi Nova

    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4 Column 5
    Neighbourhood Class Kirillos Filippos Eurydice
    Demia Aristocrat Pleased Rapturous Impressed
    Lithos Priest* Hateful Impressed Uninterested
    Telos Priest* Uninterested Rapturous Uninterested
    Feros Aristocrat Unimpressed Loving Impressed
    Kenetrios Aristocrat Displeased Interested Impressed
    Dominia Labourer Impressed Loving Uninterested
    Valua Aristocrat Impressed Loving Rapturous
    Keratos Farmer Unimpressed Rapturous Uninterested
    Polyos Labourer Interested Impressed Interested
    Kalkis Aristocrat Displeased Impressed Interested
    Manis Farmer Unimpressed Rapturous Interested
    Junkta Farmer Impressed Impressed Interested
    Pulsa Labourer Uninterested Uninterested Ambivalent



    Neighbourhood attitudes, 190; Kirrha

    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4 Column 5
    Neighbourhood Class Kirillos Filippos Eurydice
    Equios Labourer Interested Interested Interested
    Primos Aristocrat Impressed Rapturous Unimpressed
    Ergos Farmer Pleased Loving Impressed
    Galacta Farmer Unimpressed Rapturous Ambivalent
    Anthropa Farmer Interested Interested Impressed
    Gesta Farmer Displeased Impressed Uninterested
    Halos Aristocrat* Displeased Displeased Impressed
    Trakton Labourer Impressed Interested Uninterested
    Operos Labourer Impressed Impressed Uninterested
    Khiros Farmer Interested Pleased Uninterested
    Hygria Farmer Impressed Interested Uninterested
    Gregos Farmer Impressed Interested Uninterested
    Asteris Artist Ambivalent Impressed Uninterested



    Neighbourhood attitudes, 190; Dostana

    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4 Column 5
    Neighbourhood Class Kirillos Filippos Eurydice
    Fixis Labourer Ambivalent Impressed Uninterested
    Bromia Farmer Impressed Rapturous Interested
    Archa Aristocrat Hateful Rapturous Impressed
    Ikhthyos Farmer Displeased Loving Interested
    Kipos Farmer Impressed Rapturous Impressed
    Loquia Priest Unimpressed Pleased Uninterested
    Mera Aristocrat* Impressed Rapturous Pleased
    Sitos Farmer Interested Pleased Impressed
    Fektos Labourer Interested Interested Uninterested
    Agros Farmer Interested Interested Uninterested



    Neighbourhood attitudes, 190; Apollonia

    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4 Column 5
    Neighbourhood Class Kirillos Filippos Eurydice
    Joinos Labourer Pleased Loving Impressed
    Agos Aristocrat Displeased Hateful Loving
    Humos Farmer Loving Rapturous Impressed
    Kusa Labourer Impressed Rapturous Interested
    Bromata Farmer Impressed Pleased Ambivalent



    Neighbourhood attitudes, 190; Si Satchanalai

    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4 Column 5
    Neighbourhood Class Kirillos Filippos Eurydice
    Baan Baan Cha Labourer Unimpressed Unimpressed Murderous
    Baan Kaw Too Aristocrat Pleased Unimpressed Hateful
    Baan Na Gaang Farmer Interested Rapturous Murderous
    Baan Doi Phu Luit Aristocrat* Pleased Rapturous Hateful
    Baan Baan Koo Aristocrat Pleased Uninterested Displeased
    Baan Na Woom Farmer Pleased Interested Displeased



    Neighbourhood attitudes, 190; Muang Saluang

    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4 Column 5
    Neighbourhood Class Kirillos Filippos Eurydice
    Baan Baan Ken Labourer Unimpressed Interested Murderous
    Baan Na Koo Aristocrat Pleased Impressed Hateful
    Baan Na Daam Aristocrat Ambivalent Impressed Hateful
    Baan Ma Baan Farmer Unimpressed Impressed Hateful



    Neighbourhood attitudes, 190; Sukhothai

    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4 Column 5
    Neighbourhood Class Kirillos Filippos Eurydice
    Baan Baan Mwui Labourer Uninterested Murderous Murderous
    Baan Kaw Ken Farmer Interested Rapturous Hateful
    Baan Haat Krai Aristocrat Pleased Pleased Hateful
    Baan Non Buan Aristocrat* Pleased Pleased Hateful
    Baan Non Luit Aristocrat Pleased Impressed Hateful
    Baan Na Ma Farmer Impressed Interested Hateful
    Baan Huai Gaang Farmer Ambivalent Uninterested Hateful
    Baan Chong Ma Labourer Unimpressed Ambivalent Hateful
     
  19. Gurra09

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    Thank you, voters of Delphi, for giving me your support in leading this kingdom forward as Chief Minister. I promise not to disappoint you, and to accomplish everything I set out to do.

    With that said, I'm opening the Synedrion by presenting my orders aswell as the Extension and Protection of Voting Rights Act.

    Examples to explain article 2: If a voting neighbourhood moves to a tile without franchised yields they will still be allowed to vote in the next election, but not in the next one after that unless they start working a tile with franchised yields (currently gold/faith/culture) - so aristocrats turned farmers will be voting farmers for one election before losing franchise. And if an act passes taking away voting rights for certain yields (for example priests losing franchise), voting rights of concerned neighbourhoods will still be valid for one more election if they have no other yield which provides voting rights.

    OOC: About the new name for Sukhothai, the city's name in Greek is Σουκοτάι which is transcribed Soukotai. As for Alexandropolis, now maybe you get why I wanted a Delphian-born character to run my faction this term rather than Leonidas. ;)

    Article 4 means automate the Scout.

    EDIT: Added to sell the aqueduct in Delphi Nova prior to adopting Oligarchy, the reason being that we will receive free Aqueducts in our first four cities with the completion of the Tradition tree and as such save 1 gold on maintenance.
     
  20. Wyverncraft

    Wyverncraft ¡Viva la Revolución!

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    I vote yes on Extension and Protection of Voting Rights Act
    I vote yes on Annexation Act
    I vote yes on Workers Act
    I vote yes on Domestic and Foreign Affairs Act
    I still support moving our units closer to the dutch border to be prepared for any attack that may come our way.
     

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