Wyverncraft
¡Viva la Revolución!
I propose that the Great Merchant go on a trade deal to Quebec, which would land them firmly in our grip along with quite a bit of wealth.
The Tribal Elders of Delphi
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You have a valid point, Eurydice, but let's remember that Quebec City is a long trip and with the gold and influence from any city-state we could still buy us into an alliance with the Despotate of Quebec.
I instead propose we do the following:
- Gift 500 gold to the Despotate of Quebec as soon as that sum of gold is available, to have them switch allegiance from China to Delphi and give us access to their gold mines.
- Send the Great Merchant on a trade mission to Zurich, which lies closer to Si Satchanalai, and then gift 500 gold to the Kingdom of Zurich to ally them and receive fine Swiss jewelry.
This will greatly improve our happiness and have China lose their influence in this part of the world. What does the Synedrion think?
I instead propose we do the following:
- Gift 500 gold to the Despotate of Quebec as soon as that sum of gold is available, to have them switch allegiance from China to Delphi and give us access to their gold mines.
- Send the Great Merchant on a trade mission to Zurich, which lies closer to Si Satchanalai, and then gift 500 gold to the Kingdom of Zurich to ally them and receive fine Swiss jewelry.
This will greatly improve our happiness and have China lose their influence in this part of the world. What does the Synedrion think?
I would also like to propose the following orders for the Work Boat in Apollonia:
- Send it exploring coastal waters also north of the city, all the way up to the Chinese city of Shanghai.
There is nothing valuable for it do just sitting there in Apollonia anyway.
- Send it exploring coastal waters also north of the city, all the way up to the Chinese city of Shanghai.
There is nothing valuable for it do just sitting there in Apollonia anyway.
Melda
Wannabe Psephologist
His Highness also wanted me to mention that he would like the Synedrion to, if it please them, discuss and debate the possibility, feasibility and desirability of passing a law to have the effect that the Synedrion persists beyond the death of the reigning Basileus.
His father's death five years ago shows the perils of having the Synedrion automatically dissolved with the death of the monarch. His Highness would like to avoid that, but obviously does not wish to interfere in the affairs or the running of the Synedrion.
His father's death five years ago shows the perils of having the Synedrion automatically dissolved with the death of the monarch. His Highness would like to avoid that, but obviously does not wish to interfere in the affairs or the running of the Synedrion.
MiguelBazil
The "Always Late" One
I would like to vote no to the bill that passed because I'd rather have a holy site on a city not focusing on food, and in the long run, it'd be more faith. We already spread faith faster than normal, and we could use the faith to buy units, religious or war-based.
EDIT: I'd like to say that I'm more on board with Leonida's idea for the GM. Also, agree on the boat.
EDIT: I'd like to say that I'm more on board with Leonida's idea for the GM. Also, agree on the boat.
Wyverncraft
¡Viva la Revolución!
I'm against spending any money on city-states. Sending the Merchant to Zurich instead sounds fine though. I agree on the boat.
I believe we must not be shy to spend in order to earn. Sending our Great Merchant on a trade mission will bring in the money needed to persuade one city-state to join us, while our gold reserve already available will help us with the other. The long-term benefits here are not just to keep China away, that is a very minor issue, but the boost in growth it will give us which in turn will boost science, production, and literally everything else.
Allying Zurich and Quebec will give us instant access to two new luxuries, aswell as extra happiness from being allied to a mercantile city-state - happiness which allows for a steadily growing population. That will go well in hand with the growth bonuses from being allied with a maritime city-state, allowing our cities to grow even more powerful. Right now is also the perfect moment for gold gifts because both Zurich and Quebec are in great need of money ((OOC: gold gift quest)), and as such we will earn an even bigger influence boost than usual with them by providing said gold.
Allying Zurich and Quebec will give us instant access to two new luxuries, aswell as extra happiness from being allied to a mercantile city-state - happiness which allows for a steadily growing population. That will go well in hand with the growth bonuses from being allied with a maritime city-state, allowing our cities to grow even more powerful. Right now is also the perfect moment for gold gifts because both Zurich and Quebec are in great need of money ((OOC: gold gift quest)), and as such we will earn an even bigger influence boost than usual with them by providing said gold.
Wyverncraft
¡Viva la Revolución!
Don't forget about the Great Merchant influence bonus as well as the gold bonus. We may not need to gift Zurich if we get enough influence from the trade.
I have not forgotten about it, but it alone will only take us to friend status. Below are my calculations for if the trade mission were to happen right now which, bear in mind, it won't. Zurich's influence won't drop below 5 however since we have pledged to protect them, so the numbers should still be viable. As for Quebec, we will have those 500 gold available by next turn.
Zurich
We are currently at 6 influence, and we need 56 more (62 total) to surpass China as ally.
Trade mission gives 30 influence, bumping us up to a total of 36.
250 gold gift would, with quest bonus, give us 25 more influence, giving us a total of 61 which is below 62.
500 gold gift would, with quest bonus, give us 60 more influence, giving us a total of 96 which is above 62.
Quebec
We are currently at 45 influence, and we need 26 more (71 total) to surpass China as ally.
250 gold gift would, with quest bonus, give us 25 more influence, giving us a total of 70 which is below 71.
500 gold gift would, with quest bonus, give us 60 more influence, giving us a total of 105 which is above 71.
Zurich
We are currently at 6 influence, and we need 56 more (62 total) to surpass China as ally.
Trade mission gives 30 influence, bumping us up to a total of 36.
250 gold gift would, with quest bonus, give us 25 more influence, giving us a total of 61 which is below 62.
500 gold gift would, with quest bonus, give us 60 more influence, giving us a total of 96 which is above 62.
Quebec
We are currently at 45 influence, and we need 26 more (71 total) to surpass China as ally.
250 gold gift would, with quest bonus, give us 25 more influence, giving us a total of 70 which is below 71.
500 gold gift would, with quest bonus, give us 60 more influence, giving us a total of 105 which is above 71.
Wyverncraft
¡Viva la Revolución!
Hmm.... Alright... Could we go for just one city, then?
I would be interested in hearing Synedros Kirillos input on this city-state alliance business aswell, but personally I think an alliance with one of them would do much better in combination with an alliance with the other for the reasons I mentioned earlier (happiness supporting growth).
If we were to ally just one city-state, which one would you propose we ally - maritime Quebec or mercantile Zurich?
If we were to ally just one city-state, which one would you propose we ally - maritime Quebec or mercantile Zurich?
Wyverncraft
¡Viva la Revolución!
Zurich, probably, but only because we have a Merchant heading there as well.
Melda
Wannabe Psephologist
Based on the information provided to me by my royal secretary it sounds as though the Chief Minister will advise me to authorise this Great Merchant to travel to the Kingdom of Zurich and undertake a trade mission which will fill the Treasury's coffers and gain influence with the King. And that after that I should authorise a 500 gold gift to the kingdom to forge an alliance.
Chief Minister, do you advise me to act on this now, or would you like to debate these measures in the Synedrion further?
Spoiler Here's the logic I'm using for this :
Chief Minister, do you advise me to act on this now, or would you like to debate these measures in the Synedrion further?
Melda
Wannabe Psephologist
I shall await the will of the Synedrion, then.
Wyverncraft
¡Viva la Revolución!
I vote no. We should spend as little money as possible with as high a reward as we can.
Since the mandated 24 hour voting period is up that means the orders in question pass with 17 votes in favour, 10 votes against, and 7 abstains.
As for the work boat orders it seems as though all 34 Synedroi have agreed to them earlier and so they pass too.
As for the work boat orders it seems as though all 34 Synedroi have agreed to them earlier and so they pass too.
I believe this is a wise suggestion from our revered Basileus, as there is really no need for our Synedrion to dissolve in the case he or an heir of his abdicates or dies. Instead, having the Synedrion intact would probably help with the transition from one monarch to the next.
Would my fellow Synedroi agree to pass such measures as proposed by His Highness?
(OOC: This shouldn't really have any gameplay effect, but rather allow Melda to kill off his monarchs at other times than election years and still have the Synedrion sit the whole term through.
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Melda
Wannabe Psephologist
(OOC: This shouldn't really have any gameplay effect, but rather allow Melda to kill off his monarchs at other times than election years and still have the Synedrion sit the whole term through.
This is correct. It's just a cosmetic thing so I can kill of my characters without forcing an unscheduled election. Since the Basileus proposed it no-one's going to suffer any negative or positive consequences for voting for or against it.
Wyverncraft
¡Viva la Revolución!
In that case, sure. I vote yes
