The war on "Terror"

[allhailIndia]

The war on terror is a sham. The believing American public has been taken for a merry ride on a B-2 bomber. Ask anybody in western Pakistan if the Taliban has been routed and they will laugh at your face and point you to their neighbour who was a high Taliban official.

Terrorism is'nt destroyed by B-52's, Predators, Marines or any of those things. It is stopped by good hard old fashioned "intelligence" or what the Americans now call Human Intelligece or HumINt for short.

Destroying Afghanistan or Iraq does not stop terrorism. It only deters it for the time being. After Iraq, where will Dubya ride his tanks??It is time somebody gave the CIA a hard kick in the ass and instead turned to the three organizations which have the most experience in fighting terorism. THey are Mossad, MI5 and Punjab police. If the inclusion of Punjab police in that list seems odd, I suggest somebody read up about the Khalistani movement or the memoirs of Julio Ribeiro or K.P.S.Gill who fought Khalisthani terrorism for a decade, successfully.

The Mossad is the best informed agency in the Middle East, but the CIA does not want to touch it with a 10-foot barge pole. MI-5 has been fighting the IRA terrorism for decades and is incomparable in that field. Yet Langley could'nt care less.

One thing is for sure, the events of the last 6 months will not stop another 9/11

 

[Greadius]

Originally posted by allhailIndia
The war on terror is a sham. The believing American public has been taken for a merry ride on a B-2 bomber. Ask anybody in western Pakistan if the Taliban has been routed and they will laugh at your face and point you to their neighbour who was a high Taliban official.

Silly question... if they WERE a high taliban official, why are they hiding in Pakistan? Don't they have a country to run?
I call 9 battle deaths and achievement of political objectives a route, but hey, don't let the Pakistani farmer who claims to have been someone important fly in the face of that...

Originally posted by allhailIndia
One thing is for sure, the events of the last 6 months will not stop another 9/11

No, but it will make us feel better, and safer... and it sure goes a heck of a lot further to prevent another 9/11 than apologizing for imagined grievences, dismantling Israel, withdrawing to isolationism, or handing out money to corrupt regimes in an effort to combat global terrorism. Perhaps those work for the rest of the world, but we aren't the rest of the world. We're loud, arrogant, boisterous, impetous, unapologetic, and uncompromising; and that seems to have worked in the past. And the dirt poor farmers who claim they used to be important in Western Pakistan should have learned that at least.

 

[allhailIndia]

Originally posted by Greadius
Silly question... if they WERE a high taliban official, why are they hiding in Pakistan? Don't they have a country to run?
I call 9 battle deaths and achievement of political objectives a route, but hey, don't let the Pakistani farmer who claims to have been someone important fly in the face of that...

An article in the latest TIME magazine speaks about more than the Pakistani farmer. The ex-Defence Minister of the Taliban is in Pakistan and basically telling the rest of the world he is alive and has supporters everywhere

No, but it will make us feel better, and safer... and it sure goes a heck of a lot further to prevent another 9/11 than apologizing for imagined grievences, dismantling Israel, withdrawing to isolationism, or handing out money to corrupt regimes in an effort to combat global terrorism. Perhaps those work for the rest of the world, but we aren't the rest of the world. We're loud, arrogant, boisterous, impetous, unapologetic, and uncompromising; and that seems to have worked in the past. nd the dirt poor farmers who claim they used to be important in Western Pakistan should have learned that at least. [/QUOTE]

Its your country pal, that is going to be hit by several madmen because of the "route" taken by your govt. If your country does not know how to fight terrorism, they can atleast stop prtending they have already won the war. The fight in Afghanistan has started just like the Vietnam war with only a change in public perception. The "political objectives" is a joke and Karzai will find himself facing the wrong end of an AK-47 if US forces leave.

 

[Greadius]

Originally posted by allhailIndia
An article in the latest TIME magazine speaks about more than the Pakistani farmer. The ex-Defence Minister of the Taliban is in Pakistan and basically telling the rest of the world he is alive and has supporters everywhere

Were they the same supporters that were going to stand with him to the death the last 5 times they stopped and would retreat no further?
Were there pictures of all his supporters or was the dust cloud of them running to the hills too big?
Look, I'm not denying they are out there, what I'm saying is that any semblance of an organized Taliban military doesn't exist. Most of them ran for their lives, and I don't blame them. The majority of the Taliban army were conscripted farmers who went home. The fact that they're still alive doesn't mean the Taliban is staging a big comeback where they sweep across the Afghanistan with victory after victory. Afghans have had a few months of something different... tell me, are they standing by their huts waiting for the Taliban to return?

Originally posted by allhailIndia
Its your country pal, that is going to be hit by several madmen because of the "route" taken by your govt. If your country does not know how to fight terrorism, they can atleast stop prtending they have already won the war. The fight in Afghanistan has started just like the Vietnam war with only a change in public perception. The "political objectives" is a joke and Karzai will find himself facing the wrong end of an AK-47 if US forces leave.

As compared to when the madmen came back because the U.S. didn't respond and they thought they could get away with it. You're missing the entire point here... they are MADMEN, it doesn't matter WHAT the U.S. does, they won't respond rationally, they respond based on chemical imbalance in their brain that says God=murder; they are already MAD.
And NOBODY has said we won the war. All we're saying now is that the Taliban is no longer in power in Afghanistan. Who was at the scene at the last Afghan quake: Karzai or the Taliban?

And ANY leader in a volatile situation is likely to find themselves at the wrong end of the AK-47. That is why peace is usually followed by the word PROCESS. It is a process to build up an Afghan defense/paramilitary/police. It is a process to lower the proportion of weapons to people. It is a process to get a democractic government that enough of the people are willing to defend, and is capable of meeting the rudementary needs of its people (something the Taliban failed in on both counts).

And in case you don't watch more closely, Karzai has his own security; the U.S. doesn't provide it. The U.S. has a tiny contingent of peacekeepers, most of their troops are on secluded bases. Karzai is an optimistic alternative and a chance for peace... I think most Afghans would rather have that than seeing what system the latest fundamentalists have cooked up.