Again, I'd like you to actually support your theory of "representation bias" with something While written history most certainly isn't 100% accurate, we can't just arbitrarily pick whichever parts we view as not being politically correct and twist and change them according to our needs and wants
Problem is the girls in question haven't actually been all that important Even civilopedia which takes a lot of liberties in the name of "education" struggles to make them seem "monumentally important"
What we have here is a few ordinary women with accomplishments ranging from "none" to "unimpressive" that Firaxis is forcing down our throats to show the world how politically correct they are and to pander to horny teens and feminists
I'm sorry Dyado, but it's not my job to educate you about these things. That's the number one problem with the response to feminism; guys seem to think it's women's job to teach them about the vast dominance of patriarchal bias, in history as in everything else, when it's actually guys' responsibility to teach themselves. There is
plenty of factual material out there, reams and reams and reams; go do some reading and inform yourself. It's not my job, or anyone's job, to sit you down and explain to you exactly where and how opportunity and presentation bias exist throughout history and have achieved massive warping of "facts". (It's especially not my job in this forum! But more on that at the bottom.)
Again, that's the whole point - we're not talking about some great women whose amazing accomplishments somehow remained largely unknown and Firaxis are now on a quest to enlighten the masses of these world-shaping deeds that these great women performed That's not the case at all
If you want to characterize the devs as being on some sort of "quest"--and I don't, but just a sec--then you've clearly missed its goal. Or, rather, you've confused the means for the end. The "quest" has nothing to do with any
particular female leaders; it is simply about revealing and promoting knowledge of
the existence of women in history. About throwing in some historical and gender variety to complement the roster of old beardy guys. Yes, at the expense of some of those beardy guys. You clearly don't think that's a valid goal; fair enough, as I've said. You're entirely entitled to your opinion.
Look, I don't actually think that Firaxis are on some sort of quest here. I'm not ascribing some sort of overarching feminist agenda to the development of the Civ series. Just, it's simply NICE to throw in a little variety. Regardless of the goal of that greater inclusion--general education about lesser-known figures in history; promotion of feminist values; variety for the sake of variety; changing up the roster for long-time players who want to see some new figureheads; etc.--it's just a nice thing. I'm applauding and promoting the feminist aspect of it, but it's not like I think that's, like, a secret mission or something. You, in focusing criticism solely on the women as you have done (and remain unapologetic about), have turned this nice thing into a misogynist rant. Disagreement with the "thing" being "nice" is totally fine, though obviously I (and others) feel differently; the misogyny is not. "Genuinely awful post" indeed.
That's the whole point - some of the female leaders are picked not because of their accomplishments but just because they're women
Which is preachy, annoying and just as bad and discriminating as the opportunity and "representation bias" you keep talking about and have yet to support with any kind of proof
That's your opinion, so, sure. I'm here saying that even if the ranking system being used to rate accomplishments weren't heavily flawed and biased (which it is -- go learn about it), and even IF the women's accomplishments do not stack up, it's still a Good Thing to include them in the game. That's my opinion.
(...Am I clear there? Even if we remove all the bit about history being flawed, even if we were to agree that there are men who are more "accomplished" than the women in the game--like, even if I actually concede those points--I'm saying that
it doesn't matter. It's STILL a good thing, a wonderful thing!, to include the women.)
As for not having any proof, again see above about it being your responsibility to educate yourself. Take some responsibility and go do some research. Or, y'know, insist that you don't have to, choose not to learn anything, and continue to perpetuate patriarchal values. Your call.
You can call me a misogynist or a chauvinist all you want but that won't change the fact
I do, and it does, but yet again, it's not my job to educate you.
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Apologies to all for this tangent. I feel that exposing and ridiculing this mindset is desperately important, but I know it's off topic here. I'll bow out now. Dyado, I'm sure you'll respond with heightened calls for "proof"; I sincerely hope you'll do some research about this stuff and take some responsibility for yourself. Or at least relax your narrow view about how history should be represented, even if you don't care to examine how history is constructed in the first place. Good luck to you.
