This is not a nice battle-result

[Rik Meleet]

No this is not a "spear-versus tank" thread. This is a thread were you can post screenshots of battle-results you didn't like.

Here's mine. My strong and very experienced Praetorian took on an archer in a town. Odds 8.8 to 5.0 to win. With those odds I'd try. Especially since I wanted the town now, with only 1 defender and 4 workers.

And if you wonder; why did he take a screenshot from before the battle ??? I saved and reloaded just because of it. I did play on with the save that had the praetorian dead.

 

[Randle]

The archer did have a 50% defending bonus from the city's culture/walls whatever. I'd be curious to know if he had any other defensive upgrades as well. That very well could have been your doom.

 

[Zertez]

The small table in the lower left shows the bonus both units had. The enemy is in red

 

[dssltg]

That is a tough loss at 8.5 to 5. I have lost some closer than that but not that high.

Very bad luck. Always happens when we are attacking with just one unit!

David

 

[Runriot]

Thats was a true gamble, and would have been the stuff of legends amoung your people had they succeeded.

I probably would have taken the same actions, were I in your shoes, but damn does that hurt to loose that battle hardened vetern

 

[THARN]

1 first strike is pretty potent also for the defender- I also read somewhere that defending units of cities with religion or certain cultural builds defend a bit better(wonder if thats what the +75% from tile defense is)

 

[Rik Meleet]

dssltg: I had another Praetorian to the north; visible in the first screen.

 

[Grogs]

I feel for you. In my previous game, I was fighting a fairly early (swords and horse archers) war against the greeks. The greeks sent a Combat2 horse archer across my borders. I attacked it first with a low-level (combat1) horse archer of my own and lost, but reduced his horse to 3.0 health. I had a 16/17 horse archer with Combat1 + Flanking2. I figured this was my chance to get him promoted, so 6.6 vs. 3.6 and I lost. The really sad thing is that the war ended shortly after and I never did get a unit promoted.

 

[Fredric Drum]

Uhm, did I understand this correctly? You had 8.5 to 5 odds, and you're shocked to lose? You gotta be kidding. 8.5 to 5 is hardly overwhelming. I'd expect to lose a couple of units on that one.

 

[Sirp]

It's hard to see from the compressed screenshot, but doesn't that say 8.8 to 5.8? Not 8.8 to 5.0?

With 5.8, the archer does have a 13% chance to win, which is enough that it'll happen several times a game.

Also, you have some more Praetorians next to the city; I assume you used them to finish the job.

-Sirp.

 

[DraconisRex]

You had about a 2/3 chance of winning. You didn't. There is nothing there.

 

[Panda]

Tough luck loosing a crack unit.

 

[Fredric Drum]

It's hard to see from the compressed screenshot, but doesn't that say 8.8 to 5.8? Not 8.8 to 5.0?

With 5.8, the archer does have a 13% chance to win, which is enough that it'll happen several times a game.

Also, you have some more Praetorians next to the city; I assume you used them to finish the job.

-Sirp.

I assume you mean 31%? Which is a pretty good chance.

 

[Roland Ehnström]

No, he means 13%. Combat "odds" doesn't work like normal odds. Read this: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=137615

-- Roland

 

[Fredric Drum]

I don't get this. The game gives 'odds', which aren't odds at all, just some numbers you must use in some weird calculator to calculate your real chance of winning. This calculator is hidden in an obscure subforum at an obscure fan site. It also contradicts the manual.

I'm having problems buying this concept.

The odds displayed in-game are not the same as unit strength, remember. They take into account all modifiers.

 

[Dairuka]

I've lost 15.4 {Rifleman with Combat I} vs 3 {Archer with no Promotions}

Thats gotta be like 0.05% of a chance to lose...

I hate it when I lose the lottery. >=(

I did win 7.6 {outdated and hurt maceman with city defense bonuses} vs 22 {Infantry with Combat I} on Immortal mode though.

I like it when I win the lottery. =)

 

[MrCynical]

I don't think he's complaining about it being unlikely. I think he's just making a thread for battle results that are really inconvienient. I've never actually had a unit with 26 xp, but I'd certianly be annoyed if I got one and lost it.

 

[Rik Meleet]

It's hard to see from the compressed screenshot, but doesn't that say 8.8 to 5.8? Not 8.8 to 5.0?

With 5.8, the archer does have a 13% chance to win, which is enough that it'll happen several times a game.

Also, you have some more Praetorians next to the city; I assume you used them to finish the job.

-Sirp.

Heavily zoomed in it is indeed 5.8. 13% is rather high, indeed.

Oh I did loose many units which had better odds than the defender (and won battles I should have lost). This one really hurt; he was experience 26.

I don't think he's complaining about it being unlikely. I think he's just making a thread for battle results that are really inconvienient. I've never actually had a unit with 26 xp, but I'd certianly be annoyed if I got one and lost it.

X-post: Exactly. He was my favorit unit who hadn't let me down for a long time.

 

[parachute4u]

Arathorns combat calculator says 94% to win. Bad luck indeed

OTOH: Bet the war got more interesting after losing the Praet

If you send an unpromoted unit, this archer is strength 9 !
If you use an unpromoted unit vs this archer, you'd actually need strength 15 to get a 95% winning chance... So this Praet compared to a lvl 1 grenadier/rifle in this particular situation. (As far as I understand the system)

 

[Fredric Drum]

I can tell you for sure that in a battle with 8.5 to 5.8, the 8.5 unit will not win 94% of the time.