'This one's faking he's dead.' 'He's dead now.'

[Immortal]

Any reference to jew/nazi is no more nonsense than the arrogance pretending to be patriotism position - it's actually far better, since the Nazi's were 'removing a blight on humanity' as many in other nations agreed at the time, including the USA.

SOunds like you kind of agree with it yourself

 

[10Seven]

No he didn't. He never once said the war in iraq was over.

Bush quite specifically said. Although, if the history of changing excuses is considered, presumably he might have been referring to the 'war on sand', no?


Aside, I should apologise to the posters here, as I feel some of my posts to have been rude - I still stand by their general meaning, if not the rudeness...

 

[Timko]

An since it has been said that Bush cares nothing about world opinion then why does he not simply blow up the entire Middle east?

Hmm. If they could design a bomb that would kill everyone in the middle east *but* leave all of the oil intact...

 

[luiz]

It's sick, yes, but that's war. And the marines didn't decend to the level of the beheaders, only one marine did -- and even then, he shot a wounded man, didn't slit his throat for propaganda reasons. And don't think the wounded man wouldn't have shot a US solider in the same situation.

I'm not justifying a war crime -- and it is a war crime -- I just don't care all that much. I might if it had been a civilian.

This says it all, so there's no need to comment.

 

[eyrei]

From what I can see, the only reason this is a big deal is because it was caught on video. Much worse things have been reported from Iraq, but have been difficult to verify.

 

[Norlamand]

One less maggot to grow into a fly...........


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[MarineCorps]

Bush quite specifically said. Although, if the history of changing excuses is considered, presumably he might have been referring to the 'war on sand', no?

I seem to recall him saying an "end to Major combat operations."

 

[Little Raven]

I seem to recall him saying an "end to Major combat operations."

Out of curiousity, what would you call Fallujah? Or what we did to Samarra a couple of months ago? Or what we're likely to have to do to Mosul in a few weeks?

These don't qualify?

 

[MarineCorps]

Out of curiousity, what would you call Fallujah? Or what we did to Samarra a couple of months ago? Or what we're likely to have to do to Mosul in a few weeks?

These don't qualify?

I think Bush more was refering to combat operations against the nation of Iraq.

 

[King PJ]

Note: The man that was killed looked to be an elderly man. They showed the tape on Fox News and it showed an elderly man, lying on the floor, with a younger man who seemed to be already dead. The soldiers said that the man wasn't dead yet, that he was still moving. The man moves a little bit. They blacked out the part where they shot him.

Actually the man the marine shot was in the backround, the camera pulled up just in time to see the marine shoot him. The view was obstructed somewhat by all the debrie lying around, but you could clearly see the marine fire a burst. If anyone wants the link to the video, PM me. Unless of course the mods say I can post the link publicly.

 

[Pangur Bán]

What, am I supposed to be outraged or something?

The only people I'm outraged at are those irresponsible journalists. I couldn't care less if a nutter insurgent gets killed.

Like someone said, it's only a big deal coz it was caught on camera. The guy was fighting because he believed he'd be martyred. If they shoot him, so what? He was a frigging insurgent. Who gives a monkeys if he happened to have a gun at that point. The marine got his revenge, the insurgent got martyred. . . . everyone's happy, including the ecstatic NBC dudes reponsible for spreading more man-killing hatred across the Arab world.

 

[Damnyankee]

People Listen. We all know the Insurgents use Un-orthodox tactics. What the man could have done has happened many times(Grenade blowing up after discovering "Body"). If i was in that scenario, being in battle, fighting a hardass enemy that fights to the death, pissed off that they killed your friends and comrades, I would say i would say i would have done the same thing.

 

[Sinapus]

Out of curiousity, what would you call Fallujah? Or what we did to Samarra a couple of months ago? Or what we're likely to have to do to Mosul in a few weeks?

These don't qualify?

No. They don't. If they qualified as anything I'd call them attempts to create a lot of noise and convince the gullible that the insurgency was oh-so-powerful.

You might also care to notice that Bush said major combat was over after, oh, the Iraqi army was pretty much defeated. When the insurgency brings up tanks in oh, battalion-sized units, then you can gleefully crow about how all our efforts in Iraq are doomed.

While supporting the troops, of course.

 

[amadeus]

First, the soldier who shot the man was shot himself in the face the day before. Second, there have been incidents in mosques in Fallujah where men have boobytrapped themselves in order to kill Marines.

Before, I thought he was doing his job. Now I think he's doing an exceptional job.

 

[King PJ]

First, the soldier who shot the man was shot himself in the face the day before. Second, there have been incidents in mosques in Fallujah where men have boobytrapped themselves in order to kill Marines.

Before, I thought he was doing his job. Now I think he's doing an exceptional job.

You think an innocent being killed by a marine is an exceptional job? The marine acted on impulse. In the video was acting completely cocky and arrogant. "This guy is faking! He's not really dead!" "He's dead now!"
Yeah he is doing an exceptional job: misrepresenting the Marines.

 

[amadeus]

When you're a Marine, you have to act on impulses.

You don't have an hour or two to sit around and debate the merits of shooting someone who may or may not be an "insurgent." You do it and you move on. Why do you think all of his Marine comrades are supporting this guy? Because they'd make the same decision in the same situation.

 

[Civrules]

You know, yesterday when I first saw it I was so damn angry at that guy that it messed up my whole day.

But now thinking about it, what if the guy really had a grenade or a bomb behind him?
I imagine with all the stress over there, it is kind of hard to act like we here think one should act.
We never do think of the reality of war -- we try to think about it, but it does not compare to what really is going on there.


This does not mean though that I'm not disgusted when he shoots him in the head...

I really am split on this but if it was clear that the insurgent’s hands were visible, and he did not have any weapons near him, justice has to be done to that marine.

 

[amadeus]

Civrules, the scenario you mention happened on Saturday, the day before that mosque footage was shot. Someone was faking he was dead and then when the Marines came by to inspect, he detonated a bomb he had hiding in his clothes.

 

[Damnyankee]

First, the soldier who shot the man was shot himself in the face the day before. Second, there have been incidents in mosques in Fallujah where men have boobytrapped themselves in order to kill Marines.

Before, I thought he was doing his job. Now I think he's doing an exceptional job.

thank you, this man acted on an impluse that many of us might do in the same situation. Now every will crucify him as a monster. Yet, People et beheaded and people say a lot less then this. And it wasn't like this guy(insurgent) was a "Innocent", other "Innocents" have detonated grenades when they come near bodys. I support the marine 100%. Man, this situation is almost ripped from Full Metal Jacket, except he didn't get a lot of time to think 'bout it

 

[Damnyankee]

You know, yesterday when I first saw it I was so damn angry at that guy that it messed up my whole day.

But now thinking about it, what if the guy really had a grenade or a bomb behind him?
I imagine with all the stress over there, it is kind of hard to act like we here think one should act.
We never do think of the reality of war -- we try to think about it, but it does not compare to what really is going on there.


This does not mean though that I'm not disgusted when he shoots him in the head...

I really am split on this but if it was clear that the insurgent’s hands were visible, and he did not have any weapons near him, justice has to be done to that marine.

Do you think you would be looking for the guys hands when he thought the guy was alive and would kill you. Impulse, impulse, impulse.