Tim Tebow Super Bowl Ad: Glad He Wasn't Aborted?
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Anything to get to that sweet, delicious baby.It almost looks like he likes eating his own fingers as well.
Well, you have to remember this is an advertising shot. Big Macs don't really look like they do on screen when you eat them either.
At least they don't contain transfats.
If the baby is young enough, it's not chock full of bacteria, right? They don't have an intestinal flora yet.
And more on-topic: I like it when people try to do the right thing, and it works out for them. Obviously I'm happy for this guy & his mom. And if he wants to buy Superbowl time, good for him. The logical weaknesses in his argument seem to be apparent, but if he wants to give struggling pregnant women hope, good for him.
Ecofarm
Deity
You seriously underestimate the number of thumpers in NFL/NASCAR.
Drafting Tebow is like drafting god.
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Sidenotes about Tebow:
I'm guessing late first round or early second round, to the Miami Dolphins.
Why the Dolphins?
1. He cannot be a classic quarterback. He does not have the arm strength, accuracy, presence of mind in the pocket, agility or timing.
2. He cannot be a tight-end. He's not big enough to deal with NFL defensive linemen and noone ever said he could catch.
3. He can't be a running back, he is way too slow. He only get around the outside in college because that's not the pros.
4. He can't be a running QB, too slow to get around outside and too small to go between the tackles (an NFL defensive lineman could end his career).
Thus, he needs to be in a wildcat offense. In a wildcat offense, he can line up outside (flanker) where his lack of speed will not hinder getting around the defensive end and he is big and strong enough to smack a cornerback while heading upfield. He can throw well enough, but not as the offense's main weapon. As flanker, he can get direct snaps and pitches, throw occasional blocks and run slants that keep him away from inside linebackers who might eat his lunch after the catch.
4. His agent is a thumper (same agent as Reggie White, remember him?).
5. Bill Parcels, who is running the show in Miami, has the same agent.
5a. Parcels can assure a healthy, godly environment under his watch... and has references as such.
6. Florida is his home state and he wants to be close to his family and church.
So far, noone on ESPN, NFL.com, etc have mentioned the possibility of him going to Miami. They all say he is going to Jacksonville to play as a classic pocket QB.
ps. GO GATORS
holy king
Deity
can he bring more to the dolphins than henne does?
Ecofarm
Deity
I don't think Henne is good enough to be the feature of the offense (nor is Tebow, Henne is a better pocket passer). We had Brown and PotHead throwing passes from the RB positions and White coming in sometimes. Henne would do the lining up under center, but with Tebow at flanker we have the option of direct snap to him (with Henne in shotgun) or a RB or White.
I think Henne is more a classic pocket QB. If Brown is healthy next year, I think the wildcat deserves some more effort.
I don't think anyone wants to pay Tebow first-round money (except perhaps for the added benefit of having drafted God), and he could fit into the Dolphins scheme as a 2nd round pick quite nicely.
And let's not forget Tebow's locker-room presence. He is a great leader and motivator. He's not going to be the guy the cops arrest for shooting himself at a strip-club, he's not going to be the guy busted for dope or DUI; he's the guy who works his ass off everyday and inspires others to do so.
I think Henne is more a classic pocket QB. If Brown is healthy next year, I think the wildcat deserves some more effort.
I don't think anyone wants to pay Tebow first-round money (except perhaps for the added benefit of having drafted God), and he could fit into the Dolphins scheme as a 2nd round pick quite nicely.
And let's not forget Tebow's locker-room presence. He is a great leader and motivator. He's not going to be the guy the cops arrest for shooting himself at a strip-club, he's not going to be the guy busted for dope or DUI; he's the guy who works his ass off everyday and inspires others to do so.
holy king
Deity
so tebow is worse than henne as quarterback and worse than brown as running back?
why exactly would the dolphins need him?
why exactly would the dolphins need him?
Ecofarm
Deity
Like I said. Wildcat offence. In a wildcat offence, you want people who can do multiple things and are capable of basically playing QB on any given play... Henne, White, Tebow, Brown and PotHead... Great combo.
I'll give you an example:
Direct snap to Brown, who pitches outside to Tebow (lined up as flanker). Now, Tebow has the option to throw a short pass, a long pass, or run up the sideline to smack a corner. Can Henne take Tebows position on this play? No, he cannot run. Can Brown or Pothead? No, they cannot pass long. Can White? Perhaps, but let's see who's better.
See also, my edit about locker-room presence.
I'll give you an example:
Direct snap to Brown, who pitches outside to Tebow (lined up as flanker). Now, Tebow has the option to throw a short pass, a long pass, or run up the sideline to smack a corner. Can Henne take Tebows position on this play? No, he cannot run. Can Brown or Pothead? No, they cannot pass long. Can White? Perhaps, but let's see who's better.
See also, my edit about locker-room presence.
holy king
Deity
passes from the guy lining up as rb are very rare even in the wildcat. a formation used for just about 15 percent of miami's plays anyway.
i dont know if they should use a first round pick on what is little more than a special teamer.
i dont know if they should use a first round pick on what is little more than a special teamer.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
First, I can't see how NASCAR has anything to to do with it.
Second, while there are quite likely a number of "thumpers" in the NFL, most of them have nothing to do with the hiring and firing the most prominent person on the team. The owners and the coaches make that decision, not the players. And if you think it is a fact that particular group is dominated by "thumpers"...
[citation needed]
Personally, I don't think that any quarterback who is so political and so expressive of his personal opinions is typically going to be perceived as a positive by the management at the pro level. You can get away with it a lot more at the college level, especially when you have a fundmentalist Christian head coach where it is even occasionally expected. The expression of your personal opinions in the form of facial makeup is likely one of those areas where they diverge. But we'll see what happens...
Ecofarm
Deity
And this discussion has nothing to do with the most prominant person on the team. He's probably a second round pick, and might have a quick brutal career in the NFL. Noone expects him to be a star, or even a starting QB in a conventional system.
But that's ok, keep talking as if you have the slightest idea.
If anyone uses a first round pick on Tebow, it will be because of his off-field abilities as a motivator, leader and clean guy. He's not a very good QB for pro systems. He's a jack-of-all-trades, too slow for the NFL as RB, too small for the NFL as FB and too arm-weak for the NFL as QB. His only hope in the NFL is to be a sort of "utility" man. And the best system for a utility man is the Wildcat. And the Wildcat is in Miami, near his home and church, and is run by a guy with the same thumping agent as Tebow.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
Um, I do believe the quarterback is typically perceived by most as being the most prominent person on the football team...
Ecofarm
Deity
Not when he doesn't start or line up under center.
Tebow will be a flanker, not a QB. If he goes to Jacksonville to play pocket-passer, his career will be over quickly. Noone else is even considering drafting him as a starting QB.
I know, it doesn't matter that I've been going to UF for the past 5 years and have followed Tebow's career and abilities pretty closely. You'll just argue with me about anything.
As if there is no link between NASCAR and the NFL. As if you didn't get what I was saying, and as if you do not constantly complain about how prominant christianity is in the US. But suddenly, when the prominence of christianity does not support your ignorant little objection about the NFL... suddenly(!)... everyone in the US wants a secular QB. Give me a freaking break. They want God in our bedrooms, they want God in our government and they sure as hell want God under center.
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Tebow will be a flanker, not a QB. If he goes to Jacksonville to play pocket-passer, his career will be over quickly. Noone else is even considering drafting him as a starting QB.
I know, it doesn't matter that I've been going to UF for the past 5 years and have followed Tebow's career and abilities pretty closely. You'll just argue with me about anything.
As if there is no link between NASCAR and the NFL. As if you didn't get what I was saying, and as if you do not constantly complain about how prominant christianity is in the US. But suddenly, when the prominence of christianity does not support your ignorant little objection about the NFL... suddenly(!)... everyone in the US wants a secular QB. Give me a freaking break. They want God in our bedrooms, they want God in our government and they sure as hell want God under center.
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Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
You mean that is your personal opinion. Many experts seem to disagree with your own personal assessment.
Ecofarm
Deity
And it is your personal opinion that his religiousness will hurt him in the NFL. And that opinion is stupid.
And actually, the experts totally agree with me about Tebow's abilities and prospects. Obviously, you have no idea what the experts think.
(They are not predicting he goes to Miami, that's mine.) They predict he goes to Jacksonville and washes out of the NFL or doesn't play during his first year. Noone, absolutely noone (except you) thinks he will ever be the most prominant person on a pro team.
You obviously don't know crap about Tebow and pretending that the NFL is not a religious place is borderline ********. I'm done discussing this with you.
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And actually, the experts totally agree with me about Tebow's abilities and prospects. Obviously, you have no idea what the experts think.
(They are not predicting he goes to Miami, that's mine.) They predict he goes to Jacksonville and washes out of the NFL or doesn't play during his first year. Noone, absolutely noone (except you) thinks he will ever be the most prominant person on a pro team.
You obviously don't know crap about Tebow and pretending that the NFL is not a religious place is borderline ********. I'm done discussing this with you.
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yesboii
Ishin
Tebow reminds me of Tyler Hansborough from NCAA Division I basketball. Excellent college player, mediocre pro player.
Edit: Although Tebow seems to have more baggage than him...
Edit: Although Tebow seems to have more baggage than him...
It's ironic that you say this and yet claim you've almost never known any creationists nor believe that a anywhere near a majority of Americans might be creationists or oppose the theory of evolution, and other "science vs. religion" issues.
FWIW I agree that Tebow is not going to have a star-career as a starting QB - though their is debate between whatever "experts/commentators/etc..." on sports talk shows, that doesn't mean they are all right, and Tebow isn't really equipped to be a star in the NFL anytime soon.
