amadeus
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I heard King Charles is moving the palace to Thamesmead. Is that true?
Time to get rid of the Monarchy?
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Federal parliament suspended for two whole weeks is a pretty nice holiday for them. No public holiday for the rest of us at this point. So far I think only New South Wales is suspending parliament among the 8 state and territory legislatures.
ACT legislative assembly business as usual, it doesn't actually make any reference to the monarch in its proceedings anyway.
ACT legislative assembly business as usual, it doesn't actually make any reference to the monarch in its proceedings anyway.
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
It gets even better: it was originally supposed to be a new type of town with a rail link to London, shops, and industry. The first never came, so nor did the second and third.
Zardnaar
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Well she ride out the debuff for female rulers and lasted long enough to change the succession laws. Realm will be unstable for ten years or so but she left behind enough money for mercenaries.
That does not seem to be comparing the current state to what would happen if we got rid of the monarchy:Does The Monarchy Benefit The UK's Economy?
MONARCHY
by Niall McCarthy,
Nov 23, 2017
A new report from business valuation consultancy Brand Finance has found that the British royal family is worth £67.5 billion. Even though assets such as the Crown Jewels and Buckingham Palace are worth at least £25.5 billion, much of the monarchy's revenue comes from its brand. Annually, it has an impact on the UK's economy to the tune of £1.8 billion. That includes a £550 million contribution to tourism, a £329 million crown estate surplus and a £150 million contribution to trade.
Infographic: Does The Monarchy Benefit The UK's Economy?
This chart shows the annual contribution of the monarchy to the UK economy in 2017.www.statista.com
Benefits include the direct surplus generated by the Crown Estate, as given in its annual report, and estimations of indirect annual uplifts to the UK economy, based on Brand Finance’s research, analysis, and experience. For instance, the impact of Royal Warrants and Coats of Arms was estimated using notional royalty rates, illustrating what could reasonably be charged for their use as licensed trademarks.
If we got rid of the monarchy, the crown estate would not just sit there growing weeds.You would be able to see a lot more of the palaces if the Saxe-Coburg's were not living there.
It really gets me that "does not want a Republic" is taken as synonymous with "I want the royals to rule me". If I said "No, I thing we should live in an anarcho-syndicalist collective" then I would be put in the royalist box.one thing for sure... at least in NZ people here don't really feel the need to form NZ republic. according to Wikipedia
Republicanism in New Zealand - Wikipedia
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Not obviously in the sense of "we would make more profit if we got rid of them".
I think we have the tech for both those government types now.
sophie
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the profitability argument is such a silly one on the face of it anyway, as Syn noted already. Monarchy ought to be abolished because it is morally wrong, not because it is financially wasteful! It would still be wrong and deserving of abolition even if it were lucrative!
Like imagine applying this argument to suffrage: is your support for extending women the right to vote contingent solely on the presumption that they are, in fact, capable of “rational thought” and would be rescinded if it were demonstrated otherwise? Or is it the case that women ought to have the vote because denial of equal voting rights is undemocratic and immoral?
Like imagine applying this argument to suffrage: is your support for extending women the right to vote contingent solely on the presumption that they are, in fact, capable of “rational thought” and would be rescinded if it were demonstrated otherwise? Or is it the case that women ought to have the vote because denial of equal voting rights is undemocratic and immoral?
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...Since when was monarchy was seen as moral issue?
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“Should the monarchy exist or ought it be abolished?” is a moral question, my dude.
The giant glowing “ought” in the middle probably should have been a tip-off.
By republicans always.
Its wrong that people should receive a position of power and wealth simply because of an accident of birth.
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so If I said "should we ought to eat meat all day?" is a moral question?
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-looking at 3rd gen ceo...
yeah right they shouldn't welp time to start "eat the rich revolution!"
Meat eating, in this day and age of global warming, is most definitely a moral issue. To be clear, I say this as a meat eater.
Yes. Don't think you need both should and ought in that sentence but any vegan or vegetarian will confirm that is a moral question.
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people are delusional that royal families are only group who are born into the power.
If you are unhappy about them being born into power you should be unhappy with 2nd generation and more of rich people who are just born into their position without doing anything.
If you are unhappy about them being born into power you should be unhappy with 2nd generation and more of rich people who are just born into their position without doing anything.
Of course they aren't the only group but they are an institutionalised form of inequality.
Wanting to abolish monarchy doesn't mean I can't support inheritence taxes as well.
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So one morally bad institution should not be abolished because there also exist other morally bad institutions. Truly we are in the presence of a generational mind on the question of moral philosophy. Tell me, oh unparalleled ethicist, ought we have abolished slavery? Or perhaps ‘twould have been better to stay the emancipating hand for are not the Irish slaves of a kind? And are not women slaves to their husbands? And wage labor is really its own kind of slavery is it not? Best to just call the whole thing off then.
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that doesn't mean a thing when they still get more money than average Joe from their dad.
In a capitalistic society there will ALWAYS be a "sliver spoon" children who are born better off than others.
That is just fact of capitalism.
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I am just saying that it is nonsense to complain that "royals are born into wealthy position" when in human society now that is happening everywhere regardless of having a monarchy or not.
In Korea we call them "금수저" (Golden spoon)... and we certainly don't have any king here.
and stop talking about thing that no longer exists.
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