Time to get rid of the Monarchy?

[Uncle Paul]

bolded: lmao what are you talking about

i think this is more about what you're comfortable with than what the netherlands actually are

regardless i ask the question again: what is centre to you

Jan Smuts is a good example of a politician who I would consider to be centrist.

So everyone should "go back to your country" even if that's not where they were born, and are completely unfamiliar with it?

If they've kept the religion, customs, etc...of their ancestors...they're not "unfamiliar" with their homelands.

As I said, if we all went back to where our ancestors came from, East Africa would get mighty crowded. What's the world population now... have we reached 8 billion yet?

Only if you believe that "Rift Valley theory".

And of course that qualifies you to speak for every Irish person everywhere. (that's sarcasm, btw)

I know what sarcasm is.

Holy crap, you definitely need to stay away from Canada. I mean, people actually leave their city of birth to live in other cities, and even leave their province of birth to live in other provinces. We travel outside our own provinces on holiday (BC is beautiful, and I've actually seen more of that province than of my own).

And horror of horrors, we welcome people from other parts of the world! We let them keep their cultural traditions (the ones that don't violate our own laws; polygamy, for instance, is illegal)! In fact, we encourage them to share their cultural traditions and their cuisine (one of the most enjoyable Folk Festivals I remember was sampling German and Chinese dishes while watching bhangra dancing on the stage; I guess you'd be horrified to know that Jagmeet Singh did bhangra dancing at an Ottawa Press Gallery dinner to gently tease Justin for his own efforts at bhangra dancing on a trip to India). Enjoying lefse and a variety of other multicultural dishes at another Folk Festival while watching Ukranian dancers on the stage is another nice memory (I had to explain lefse to my mother, though; it's not something she was familiar with even though she married into a Swedish/Norwegian-Canadian family).

My reaction to that:

With your abhorrence of multiculturalism, you must have very boring meals and entertainment. My current musical preferences include Enya, the Irish Rovers (the older material), Yanni, Wuauquikuna, and so on). The Irish Rovers are the only Canadians in this list, and even they were all born in Ireland.

I would rather eat boerewors than monkey brains.

Oh, and topless women? Legal in two Canadian provinces that I know of. Also, as far as I know, public breastfeeding is legal everywhere here.

Disgusting.

 

[Angst]

Jan Smuts is a good example of a politician who I would consider to be centrist.

so centre to you is segregationist and racial supremacist. ........ i mean. ok

i don't like the world order either but at least i have a sense of the middle

I know what sarcasm is.

sidenote here but you've been somewhat unable to pick up on text queues a few times (like the homer_simpson_gif thing ... i think lexicus did that?), valka was trying to be clear and there's really no need to pretend patronization

Absolute monarchy but the monarch can only be white

not far off as it seems

 

[Uncle Paul]

so centre to you is segregationist and racial supremacist. ........ i mean. ok

i don't like the world order either but at least i have a sense of the middle

sidenote here but you've been somewhat unable to pick up on text queues a few times (like the homer_simpson_gif thing ... i think lexicus did that?), valka was trying to be clear and there's really no need to pretend patronization

not far off as it seems

Smuts was opposed to apartheid, that's why he lost the election in 1948.

 

[Angst]

Smuts was opposed to apartheid, that's why he lost the election in 1948.

and was still pro-segregation and believed africans a race that needed white guidance

 

[Uncle Paul]

and was still pro-segregation and believed africans a race that needed white guidance

In fact Smuts led opposition to the refusal of the apartheid government to renew the visa of Mozambican student Eduardo Mondlane.

 

[Angst]

In fact Smuts led opposition to the refusal of the apartheid government to renew the visa of Mozambican student Eduardo Mondlane.

and was still pro-segregation and believed africans a race that needed white guidance

^

 

[Uncle Paul]

^

Thabo Mbeki denied that AIDS came from HIV. The fact is, many African leaders have been less than competent. I don't even need to get into the many idiocies of Mugabe and Zuma.

 

[Angst]

Thabo Mbeki denied that AIDS came from HIV. The fact is, many African leaders have been less than competent. I don't even need to get into the many idiocies of Mugabe and Zuma.

like what does this even have to do with anything

 

[Uncle Paul]

like what does this even have to do with anything

Many of the post-colonial Africa leaders led their countries to disaster. Smuts didn't.

 

[Angst]

Many of the post-colonial Africa leaders led their countries to disaster. Smuts didn't.

what does this have to do with centrism

 

[sophie]

He’s a white supremacist. We all know exactly what he’s getting at. Why are we playing this faux confusion game?

 

[Uncle Paul]

He’s a white supremacist. We all know exactly what that has to do with the point he’s advancing. Why are we playing this faux confusion game?

I reject your characterization of me. I have already said I have a lot of respect for East Asian cultures, especially Japan, although I don't care for the Communist government in China, I have a lot of respect for the Chinese culture and ethnicity.

 

[sophie]

I don’t care.

 

[Uncle Paul]

I don’t care.

Well then, I don't care what you think of me.

and was still pro-segregation and believed africans a race that needed white guidance

Smuts believed that highly capable and intelligent Africans deserved opportunities, otherwise he wouldn't have stuck his neck out for Mondlane. That is not what a "racist" would do.

 

[Angst]

He’s a white supremacist. We all know exactly what that has to do with the point he’s advancing. Why are we playing this faux confusion game?

honestly i just wanted to know what the hell the centre was to mr boer here, i didn't even expect to handle him a shovel

Smuts believed that highly capable and intelligent Africans deserved opportunities, otherwise he wouldn't have stuck his neck out for Mondlane.

the man literally said that the two should be segregated institutionally and territorially. for most of his political life he was a segregationist

so in your eyes, centrism means segregation save for rare circumstances, racial supremacy and... being capable (??)

 

[Uncle Paul]

honestly i just wanted to know what the hell the centre was to mr boer here, i didn't even expect to handle him a shovel

the man literally said that the two should be segregated institutionally and territorially. for most of his political life he was a segregationist

so in your eyes, centrism means segregation save for rare circumstances, racial supremacy and... being capable (??)

He knew that one man, one vote would mean Afrikaners losing political power. He was very conscious that his people were and still are a minority, and after all that the Boers fought for, to ensure they didn't completely lose self-governance after the Second Boer War, to just give up their self-governance in the name of "one man, one vote" would have been unconscionable.

Smuts was opposed to apartheid, may I remind you.

 

[Angst]

He knew that one man, one vote would mean Afrikaners losing political power. He was very conscious that his people were and still are a minority, and after all that the Boers fought for, to ensure they didn't completely lose self-governance after the Second Boer War, to just give up their self-governance in the name of "one man, one vote" would have been unconscionable.

Smuts was opposed to apartheid, may I remind you.

yyyea you're only using this conversation to gush about politicians you like.

so i guess centrist means compromising from your race, and far left means people that you find disgusting

 

[Uncle Paul]

yyyea you're only using this conversation to gush about politicians you like.

so i guess centrist means compromising from your race, and far left means people that you find disgusting

This has gotten way off topic vis-a-vis the monarchy. Moving on.

 

[Angst]

This has gotten way off topic vis-a-vis the monarchy. Moving on.

alright, is monarchy centrist?

 

[Uncle Paul]

alright, is monarchy centrist?

An apolitical, figurehead monarchy like Britain's? Yes.