Time to sue some cops

But does this process actually benefit anyone else?

If you want to call character assassination a "benefit."

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/1/25/hot_coffee_documents_chamber_of_commerce

"Hot Coffee" Documents Chamber of Commerce Campaign to Unseat Judges Opposed to "Tort Reform"

The documentary Hot Coffee tells the story of former Mississippi Supreme Court Justice Oliver Diaz. Despite fierce opposition from big business, Diaz won re-election to the bench. Hot Coffee reveals how Diaz was then criminally prosecuted on false charges to taint his reputation. He was forced off the bench for three years to fight the charges and was acquitted. {includes rush transcript}

Although as far as the original topic is concerned, I'd be more inclined to look at NFL teams for reading too much into an investigation than I would be inclined to look at police/media for stating that someone was wanted for questioning with regard to a crime.

Ah. So your employer is the key. You can count on them to back you even if you are falsely accused. They would never bow to pressure from their clients if your name were spread across the front pages. No worries. Good on you then.

An employer that frequently caves to unsubstantiated furor is doing disservices to its employees, and arguably the clients as well.

I agree that someone's name shouldn't be made public if they are innocent. Once guilt has been proven - by all means air the dirty laundry, but until then, the media should not be releasing the names and/or identities of those accused.

So I'm with you on that account. But this sort of thing seems to be standard operating procedure throughout the western world and beyond. Look at your local paper and see how many people's names are in there who are just accused of something.

I would think the nature of Collins's career prospects would have attracted the attention of the rumor mill whether or not the police had made an official statement.

Spoiler :
As a side note, how often is the sixth amendment invoked in justifying when police should question someone?

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Did they know something we don't? I find it hard to believe. Sometimes the NFL really is globally stupid/backwards on average (for a good example, look how often teams punt the ball on 4th and short, which is actually throwing away win probability in a majority of cases despite that most teams do it almost every time). It feels like this is one of those times; unless Collins was already on record for smoking pot like 3x over or some such there is simply no reason to slot him down based on the OP case. If that was the sole reasoning GMs passed on him I will flat out assert that every NFL GM did his/her best "sheeple" impression to the detriment of their team.

Do you read advanced football analytics (or a newspaper that features Brian Burke), by chance?
 
Do you read advanced football analytics (or a newspaper that features Brian Burke), by chance?

Yes, I do. Sometimes their conclusions aren't perfectly sound (though I usually find myself agreeing with/trusting the reasoning behind forming analytics then applying them objectively rather than subjective stuff only), but in the case of the NFL's tendency to punt in horribad situations you don't need advanced analytics. If you know you'll convert 50% of the time and the other team will score 30% of the time when you punt, on average, then the variance of going for it and failing on your opponent's score potential needs to be enormous for punting to be a good idea. Going for it is *overwhelmingly* favored in many of these cases, even more so for teams losing in the 2nd half.

The only decent explanation I've seen for why NFL teams are so idiotic is fear. They're afraid of media + fan dogpiling on the decision, which for example happened a few years back when Atlanta made the right choice against New Orleans and went for it, but failed to convert and lost. Oddly, nobody judges risky 7 or 8 man blitz plays or myriad other junk calls with slightly less apparently at stake, even if they impact the "advanced" win probability more when they backfire (IE you blitz 7, a short pass turns into a 70 yard TD is a bigger hit to win probability than just changing possession at the 40).

Even before I read that article, as a strong Madden player I often went for it on 4th down because the utility is so obvious. Granted, in almost every year Madden is offense favored so it's skewed there, but the basic concept holds in the NFL.

However, Collins isn't saddled with that same global risk perception burden. It's unlikely that someone who isn't even a POI would return much controversy on being drafted unless he wound up as a suspect later. That possibility seemed very unlikely, so this is actually even stupider for NFL teams because their typical coward-reasoning for avoiding punts doesn't even apply to the same extent here.

Or were you implying there's some advanced metric reasoning for Collins falling out of rd 1-3?
 
I was just asking out of curiosity because of your use of the term "win probability."

Yeah, I probably formulated that line of thinking due to advanced metrics. But it's a relatively straightforward term in concept. Which choices are more or less likely to win?

And in that scope, drafting Collins below his projected ability level would make a team more likely to win. Was he really a 1st round grade? If so, how can ANY NFL team justify his not going rd 1-3?

I find this particularly vexing because I'm an Eagles fan, and the Cowboys picking him up continues their recent trend of "making competent offseason moves and maintaining decent continuity". I liked it a lot better when Dallas acted like idiots all the time and led a clown car that overspent in free agency and squandered/traded away its draft picks (you know, kind of like how the Redskins still act). Somehow over the past 3-4 years they're starting to smell like a well-managed organization, and I don't like it. The Eagles needed Collins more than the Cowboys, who got a strong player on the cheap.

Then again, maybe I'm just bitter because the Eagles will dump draft picks to lower their apparent QB quality (based on career #'s).
 
But this is a rare opportunity. This guy lost big money over the cops just doing what they normally do to people. They should get it busted off for it, just because most times they do get away with it, if nothing else.

You'd have to get an NFL team employee to admit in a court of law that the police investigation was the deciding factor in why they didn't draft him. Would they say that? I don't know and I don't think you know either. But you're posting like you do know for a fact the only reason he wasn't drafted was because of this.

It's kind of like those people who say Michael Sam wasn't drafted because he was gay when in reality he just wasn't good, he couldn't even stay on a practice squad. If a guy is good teams will take the risk. Jameis winston was accused of rape wasn't he? He still got draft number 1 because he's a good player. Maybe this guy just wasn't good enough.

And maybe he should sue, but I doubt he'd win.
 
You'd have to get an NFL team employee to admit in a court of law that the police investigation was the deciding factor in why they didn't draft him. Would they say that? I don't know and I don't think you know either. But you're posting like you do know for a fact the only reason he wasn't drafted was because of this.

It's kind of like those people who say Michael Sam wasn't drafted because he was gay when in reality he just wasn't good, he couldn't even stay on a practice squad. If a guy is good teams will take the risk. Jameis winston was accused of rape wasn't he? He still got draft number 1 because he's a good player. Maybe this guy just wasn't good enough.

And maybe he should sue, but I doubt he'd win.

Michael Sam wasn't projected as a first round pick on any board. This guy was projected as a first round pick on every board. While that isn't a guarantee, very seldom does someone that widely projected fall beyond the middle of the second round.

As to trying to equate quarterbacks and offensive linemen...that's a reach, to say the least.
 
Sam's veteran's combine 40 yard time is worse than my high school 40 yard time. Unless he's a 300+ pound offensive lineman or one of those run-stuffer DTs (of which he is neither, nor close), a > 5 second 40 time hurts badly.

The point about Winston is still an interesting counter-point though. While we don't have any truly credible evidence against Winston, he was the direct target of the accusation, something Collins very much was NOT.

Sure, QB is not the same thing as OL, but if you're looking at the relative media outcry against the Bucs over taking Winston, it's pretty tiny. Would anybody (especially the court) be convinced that the questioning alone hurt the guy's stock? I don't think you could even hit the threshold needed for civil suits. That being said, teams passing on him is baffling. It's like they knew SOMETHING, and that something wasn't this story. 1st round OL later than 1st round is more than worth a near-0 player loss risk and minimal (if any) publicity risk.

The media can suck one though, in articles about "troubled players" Collins still comes up alongside people who have proven wrongdoing (such as an article about Dallas maybe signing Ray Rice, because they signed players like Collins). News flash, idiots: Collins isn't even a person of interest. Utterly disgraceful journalism aside, I'm not seeing too many people buying it; the outcry for Dallas over signing him is minimal, and it should be 0. That brings us right back then: why wasn't he drafted, when players who were kicked off their team in college or are already in trouble for substance abuse are drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds?
 
Time to sue some cops? Yeah, I think it is. And some judges too.

Why Brelo was not guilty of the voluntary manslaughter of Timothy Russell

Russell was shot 23 times. O'Donnell found that based on the testimony at trial, four of those shots were lethal. Those shots came from three different directions. Two were to the top of Russell's head, but one was to the right side of his chest and another to the left side.

"It is highly unlikely, if not impossible, that during that less than 8 seconds Russell was positioned, then repositioned, then repositioned again so that all four wounds came from the same gun in the same place," O'Donnell said.

In other words, O'Donnell concluded that Brelo fired at least one of those shots, but could not have fired all four.

To prove voluntary manslaughter, prosecutors would have had to show beyond a reasonable doubt that "but for" Brelo's actions, Russell and Williams would have lived.

"I have found beyond a reasonable doubt that Brelo fired a shot that by itself would have caused Russell's death. But proof of voluntary manslaughter requires a finding, beyond a reasonable doubt, either that his shot alone actually caused the death or it was the 'straw that broke the camel's back,'" O'Donnell said.

While Brelo fired at least one lethal shot at Russell, other police officers also fired lethal shots that contributed to his death. Because medical examiners were unable to determine the order of the shots and ballistics could not tie individual bullets to shooters, there is no way to know which lethal shot came from which shooter. It is also impossible to establish which shot actually killed Russell.

In a footnote in his opinion, O'Donnell brought up an analogy to a baseball game made by Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. Basically, if a baseball game's final score is 1-0, it's obvious which was the winning run – there was only one. But in a game that ends 5-2, none of those runs can be deemed the wining run.

In the Brelo case, his shot was one of many and it was impossible to determine which was the fatal shot.

http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2015/05/why_the_judge_found_cleveland.html

So let me get this straight, if me and 4 other people each fire a lethal shot at an unarmed guy but the coroners are unable to determine which of us fired "the" shot which killed the suspect, then we should get off scott free? Is that correct?

It's time to submit all our judges to IQ tests. If they can't at least score higher than a chimpanzee then they don't get to keep their job. Sounds fair to me.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
So let me get this straight, if me and 4 other people each fire a lethal shot at an unarmed guy but the coroners are unable to determine which of us fired "the" shot which killed the suspect, then we should get off scott free? Is that correct?

This is a strange case, isn't it?

But if it weren't for the involvement of the police and their random bullets flying through the air, I doubt this would be an issue.

I've known of people in the UK who've been convicted for murder just for being present at the scene, because no one of a group would admit to having stabbed the victim with a knife.
 
Suffice to say that if a cop goes down in a crowd and no one is quite sure which kick was the fatal blow the result won't be a series of "well, if you hadn't kicked him he would have died anyway so no harm done" rulings.
 
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