Time to sue some cops

[Zelig]

Why? As stated anyone can see that you don't respond to what is written anyway. That was obvious when you made up this "freedom of the press as punishment" nonsense. I wouldn't even dignify that as a strawman, it was just an absurdity picked out of the air.

I was responding in kind to your "cops dishing out punishment".

Actually, I think my description is still more accurate.

 

[warpus]

"Guilty" in the sense of "people who actually commit crimes", not in the legal sense.

Guilty in the legal sense - those found guilty by a court of law.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I was responding in kind to your "cops dishing out punishment".

Actually, I think my description is still more accurate.

Description of what?

Ahhhh...nevermind...you took this whole thing so far out into the weeds I'm not even really curious what you think you are talking about.

The cops take a guy who isn't even a suspect and perp walk him out of 8.5 million dollars. That's dishing out punishment on a guy who was only "guilty" in some abstract, not defined in court sort of way. That's the problem at hand.

 

[warpus]

Do you think that they did this on purpose so that he would be out $8 mil?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Do you think that they did this on purpose so that he would be out $8 mil?

No, I don't think they thought it through at all. I think they just said "we want to question this guy" and when he wasn't right there on tap they didn't think twice about informing the media that they were being "thwarted."

 

[Zelig]

Guilty in the legal sense - those found guilty by a court of law.

Yeah, I know what the legal sense is... I was clarifying my post. Here's the entire thing, reworded for clarity:

The alternative is people getting away with crimes without any media or police attention. And if you try to trample freedom of media and speech in such a manner, it's individuals in the judiciary, legal and political systems who are going to be first to have their crimes overlooked.

The cops take a guy who isn't even a suspect and perp walk him out of 8.5 million dollars.

No, the cops did not do that.

 

[Paul in Saudi]

Never mind.

 

[MobBoss]

So this college football player was projected as a first round NFL draft pick. Expected contract; four years with a total value of around ten million dollars, with at least a couple million of that in up front cash that would be his no matter how things turned out with the team that drafted him.

Instead, he went undrafted, and signed a free agent contract. Three years at about a million and a half, total, with $21,000 up front.

What happened? The week of the draft police announced that he was "wanted for questioning." He committed no crime, apparently. They never even named him as a suspect.

Their investigation, and the extremely public way they went about it, cost this man millions of dollars. Should they be held accountable for that? I know that on some level he should be thankful they didn't just shoot him, or roll him to death in the back of a van, but doesn't this seem egregious enough in its own way?

Cops aren't to blame in this issue as its pretty standard to want to talk to the ex-boyfriend of a murdered woman. It's not the cops fault that the woman got murdered less than a week before the NFL draft began.

Rather, I would hold the NFL and Collins himself to blame for the whole thing. Apparently Collins requested to be removed from the draft so that he could be considered in the supplemental draft, but the NFL denied his request. Another part of the problem was Collins agent stated prior to the draft if he got drafted in round 4 or later, he would refuse to sign with the team that drafted him. Any teams that were actually interested in drafting him lost interest as soon as that was stated, so him going undrafted is also part of his own fault. So what are the teams supposed to do with him saying something like that?

Blaming the cops for all of this is well...just silly.

 

[JollyRoger]

First, it is not Collins fault that the league denied his request to be moved to the supplemental draft. Second, moneywise, most of the financial damage is done by Round 4, so many players would prefer to go undrafted rather than get drafted that late so they can sign with the team of their choice. Better to be underpaid on the Cowboys (with a better chance for endorsement deals and playoff pay) than to be underpaid on the Jaguars.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Cops aren't to blame in this issue as its pretty standard to want to talk to the ex-boyfriend of a murdered woman.

And what the cops want, the cops get. If it ruins your life, tough. If they could get what they want and not ruin your life at the same time through a little compromise, tough, they have no interest in compromise or the slightest concern about ruining lives. Ruining lives is what they have chosen to do for a living.

 

[Zelig]

And what the cops want, the cops get. If it ruins your life, tough. If they could get what they want and not ruin your life at the same time through a little compromise, tough, they have no interest in compromise or the slightest concern about ruining lives. Ruining lives is what they have chosen to do for a living.

Maybe you should move to a location with better cops, that seems to be a specific problem with yours. Every time I've dealt with cops they've been patient and courteous.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Maybe you should move to a location with better cops, that seems to be a specific problem with yours. Every time I've dealt with cops they've been patient and courteous.

Yeah. Well, 330 million people can't just move to Canada, so I guess it is a problem to be dealt with, not fled from.

 

[MobBoss]

And what the cops want, the cops get. If it ruins your life, tough. If they could get what they want and not ruin your life at the same time through a little compromise, tough, they have no interest in compromise or the slightest concern about ruining lives. Ruining lives is what they have chosen to do for a living.

You do realize that Colllins had an attorney speaking to the press all through this process?

The cops did say he wasn't a suspect, and he may very well have known details that could give them some idea as to who murdered the woman. They have a job to do, and that's part of it.

First, it is not Collins fault that the league denied his request to be moved to the supplemental draft. Second, moneywise, most of the financial damage is done by Round 4, so many players would prefer to go undrafted rather than get drafted that late so they can sign with the team of their choice. Better to be underpaid on the Cowboys (with a better chance for endorsement deals and playoff pay) than to be underpaid on the Jaguars.

Right, but according to the draft rules if he had kept his mouth shut, been drafted by the 4th round or later, then not signed a contract, he would have been free to then enter the supplemental draft later, along with a much better contract situation.

Yeah. Well, 330 million people can't just move to Canada, so I guess it is a problem to be dealt with, not fled from.

Canada's a lot more picky about immigrants than people realize. One of my daughter married a Canadian and moved to Toronto, and the citizenship process was a real pain.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Canada's a lot more picky about immigrants than people realize. One of my daughter married a Canadian and moved to Toronto, and the citizenship process was a real pain.

No more than I realize...they won't even let me in, much less apply for citizenship.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Yeah. Well, 330 million people can't just move to Canada, so I guess it is a problem to be dealt with, not fled from.

There are some places in Canada where the cops are nothing to be emulated, or even respected.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

There are some places in Canada where the cops are nothing to be emulated, or even respected.

Don't tell Zelig.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Calgary cops are generally more civilized than Edmonton cops. Or so I surmise, given that I haven't heard or read as many horror stories about Calgary as I have Edmonton. As for Red Deer cops, I have encountered very few of them who I would choose to trust.

 

[JollyRoger]

Right, but according to the draft rules if he had kept his mouth shut, been drafted by the 4th round or later, then not signed a contract, he would have been free to then enter the supplemental draft later, along with a much better contract situation.

He would have been forced to sit out a year and he could very well have slipped in the supplemental draft thus missing a year of salary and still ending up in a crappy contract slot. I think he got the situation he wanted under the circumstances - getting a chance to play on an elite offensive line for the classiest sports organization of all time.

 

[Zelig]

There are some places in Canada where the cops are nothing to be emulated, or even respected.

True of any profession, anywhere.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

He would have been forced to sit out a year and he could very well have slipped in the supplemental draft thus missing a year of salary and still ending up in a crappy contract slot. I think he got the situation he wanted under the circumstances - getting a chance to play on an elite offensive line for the classiest sports organization of all time.

I thought he was playing for the Cowboys, where even if he were a murder suspect he would still fit right in.