I think I will just go ahead and explain this again... When Yossa said "Lets support Plako", I said "That will irritate the other players which will hurt us in-game" Yossa (and others) responded "No it won't, they can seperate out of game stuff from in-game behaviors" Then When Yossa again said "Lets support Plako", I said "Lets not support Plako" Yossa replied "That will irritate the other players" (He did not say "which will hurt us in-game", but I felt that the "which will hurt us in-game" was implied). And here is the contradiction. When I said it would irritate players he said that in-game was seperate but then he ignored that seperation by implying that the irritation would hurt us in-game. I said "I agree that it will irritate them but it won't cause in-game action against us (because RB is so far ahead)." Then I pointed out the contradiction. Aivo said "This will irritate the other players which will hurt us in-game because it will make them quit" tobiasn said "This will irritate the other players but Yossa wasnt implying it would hurt us in-game" Yossa said "I am not implying that it will hurt us in-game just that it will irritate the other players" Then you (Aivo) said "What Yossa is saying is this will irritate the other players which would hurt us in-game" Wait... what? Please go back and look at what Yossa is saying. You are trying to agree with Yossa, defending him and "explaining" his arguments without even being clear on what he is saying. You are misrepresenting him. I understand Yossa's point. Yossa is arguing that our attempt to suggest someone else will irritate the others, which will cause them to reject our suggestion. The in-game effect is not addressed directly. This is a good argument BTW, because it sidesteps in-game impact, but ironically, I think I might be the only one who understood it. Everyone trying to "explain it" to me keeps getting it wrong... Anyway, my response to Yossa's actual argument, is that our "veto power" in this situation outweighs the rejection factor as-in they can accept our suggestion or stick with status quo. And any in-game effect is canceled out by self- preservation, as-in they can't act against us because that gives RB the game.