TM 01 - The alphabet games - America

namliaM · Apr 25, 2006

I do not think it matters much, we have a choice I think.

Head West and go counter clockwize
Head SW and go clock wize...

If indeed Monty is the weaker and Saladin the stronger, the disicion comes down to.
Do we think we will have an edge over Saladin later more so than we have now? Cause if we can be stronger military later, then take him later. If not take him now.

My question is this, do we have some clearcut military techs that will give us the edge in about 20-30 turns?
Yes? Beeline them, take Monty
No? Take Sal... Tech? Semi relavant as we are "up on the rest" allready. (nearly) shut down tech, switch to a Buy kind of Civic and buy our way to Domination....

rddc05 · Apr 25, 2006

I would prefer to take out Sal, taking Mecca right off the bat. That is his only real production city. Bring about 10 cannons. After that, it's a cakewalk. I think Monty is still running around with jaguars and maces, so I would worry too much about him.

MailMan · Apr 25, 2006

Turn 255 (1725 AD)
Cavalry defeats (3.00/15): English Longbowman
Cavalry defeats (12.75/15): English Maceman
Captured Oxford (Victoria)
Research begun: Astronomy
Research begun: Scientific Method
Research begun: Physics
Research begun: Electricity
Research begun: Corporation
Research begun: Replaceable Parts
Research begun: Steam Power
Research begun: Assembly Line
Research begun: Industrialism
Research begun: Steel

Turn 256 (1730 AD)
Basra begins: Catapult
Cavalry promoted: Pinch
Cavalry promoted: Medic I
Maceman defeats (8.00/8): Arabian Worker
Chicago finishes: Academy
Cavalry promoted: Pinch
Washington finishes: Courthouse
Philadelphia finishes: West Point
Texcoco finishes: Barracks
Najran finishes: Cavalry
Hastings finishes: Theatre

Turn 257 (1735 AD)
Washington begins: Grenadier
Philadelphia begins: Grenadier
Texcoco begins: Grenadier
Najran begins: Cavalry
Hastings begins: Barracks
Cavalry promoted: Combat I
Cavalry defeats (12.60/15): Arabian Camel Archer
Cavalry defeats (15.00/15): Arabian Camel Archer
Cavalry promoted: Combat II
Cavalry defeats (10.20/15): Arabian Camel Archer
Cavalry promoted: Combat I
Cavalry defeats (8.25/15): Arabian Camel Archer
Cavalry promoted: Pinch
Maceman promoted: City Raider I
Maceman promoted: City Raider II
Philadelphia finishes: Grenadier
Canterbury finishes: Barracks
Basra grows: 11
San Francisco finishes: Theatre
Hastings's borders expand
Cavalry defeats (3.60/15): Arabian Rifleman
Cavalry loses to: Arabian Rifleman (14.00/14)
Longbowman defeats (6.00/6): Barbarian Archer

Turn 258 (1740 AD)
Research begun: Replaceable Parts
Philadelphia begins: Cannon
Canterbury begins: Cavalry
San Francisco begins: Barracks
Oxford begins: Theatre
Grenadier promoted: Combat I
Grenadier promoted: Combat II
Grenadier promoted: Formation
Grenadier loses to: Arabian Camel Archer (1.20/10)
Cavalry promoted: Combat I
Cavalry promoted: Pinch
Cavalry defeats (6.45/15): Arabian Rifleman
Cavalry defeats (5.40/15): Arabian Camel Archer
Pikeman promoted: Combat I
Pikeman promoted: Medic I
Cavalry defeats (3.00/15): Arabian Camel Archer
Maceman defeats (8.00/8): Arabian Pikeman
Cavalry defeats (6.15/15): Arabian Catapult
Cavalry defeats (15.00/15): Arabian Camel Archer
Los Angeles founded
Los Angeles begins: Lighthouse
Boston grows: 12
Boston finishes: Cavalry
Philadelphia finishes: Cannon
Chicago grows: 12
Seattle finishes: Cavalry
London finishes: Confucian Academy
Newcastle grows: 6
Newcastle finishes: Theatre

Turn 259 (1745 AD)
Boston begins: Cavalry
Philadelphia begins: Cannon
Seattle begins: Cannon
London begins: Barracks
Newcastle begins: Barracks
Cannon promoted: Combat I
Cannon promoted: Combat II
Cannon promoted: Combat I
Cannon promoted: Combat II
Cannon promoted: Combat III
Cannon loses to: Arabian Rifleman (2.80/14)
Cavalry defeats (13.20/15): Arabian Maceman
Cavalry defeats (15.00/15): Arabian Longbowman
Maceman defeats (6.32/8): Arabian Rifleman
Cavalry promoted: Combat II
Cavalry defeats (10.65/15): Arabian Camel Archer
Pikeman defeats (6.00/6): Arabian Catapult
Cavalry defeats (15.00/15): Arabian Camel Archer
Philadelphia begins: Grenadier
Cavalry promoted: Pinch
Washington finishes: Grenadier
Newcastle's borders expand

Turn 260 (1750 AD)
Washington begins: Grenadier
Coventry begins: Theatre
Cavalry promoted: Combat I
Cavalry promoted: Combat II
Cavalry defeats (3.00/15): Arabian Camel Archer
Cavalry defeats (12.75/15): Arabian Camel Archer
Cannon promoted: City Raider I
Cannon promoted: City Raider II
New York finishes: Cavalry
Philadelphia finishes: Grenadier
Atlanta finishes: Confucian Temple
Hastings finishes: Barracks

Turn 261 (1755 AD)
New York begins: Cavalry
Philadelphia begins: Grenadier
Atlanta begins: Cavalry
Hastings begins: Cavalry
Cavalry defeats (10.20/15): Arabian Rifleman
Cavalry defeats (0.75/15): Arabian Rifleman
Cavalry promoted: Formation
Cavalry defeats (13.80/15): Arabian Camel Archer
Cavalry promoted: Combat I
Cavalry promoted: Combat II
Cavalry defeats (5.40/15): Arabian Camel Archer
Maceman defeats (8.00/8): Arabian Camel Archer
Pikeman defeats (4.98/6): Arabian Catapult
Cavalry promoted: Pinch
Benjamin Franklin (Engineer) (Great Engineer) born in Washington
Philadelphia finishes: Grenadier
Texcoco grows: 8
San Francisco grows: 4
San Francisco's borders expand
Hastings grows: 10

Turn 262 (1760 AD)
Research begun: Rifling
Philadelphia begins: Cannon
Cavalry promoted: Combat I
Cavalry promoted: Combat II
Cavalry defeats (7.80/15): Arabian Camel Archer
Cavalry promoted: Combat I
Cavalry promoted: Combat II
Cavalry defeats (10.50/15): Arabian Camel Archer
Maceman promoted: City Raider I
Seattle finishes: Cannon
London finishes: Barracks
Najran grows: 10
Najran finishes: Cavalry

Turn 263 (1765 AD)
Seattle begins: Cannon
London begins: Cavalry
Najran begins: Aqueduct
Seattle begins: Ironworks
Seattle begins: Cannon
Cavalry promoted: Pinch
Cavalry promoted: Combat III
Washington finishes: Grenadier
Boston finishes: Cavalry
Philadelphia finishes: Cannon
London grows: 12
Basra finishes: Cannon
Newcastle finishes: Barracks

Turn 264 (1770 AD)
Washington begins: Cavalry
Boston begins: Cannon
Philadelphia begins: Grenadier
Basra begins: Forbidden Palace
Newcastle begins: Library
Nottingham begins: Theatre
Cavalry defeats (8.70/15): Arabian Camel Archer
Seattle begins: Ironworks
Philadelphia finishes: Grenadier
Chicago finishes: Confucian Temple
Seattle finishes: Ironworks
Texcoco finishes: Grenadier
Basra grows: 12
Coventry's borders expand
Cavalry defeats (13.35/15): Arabian Catapult
Cavalry defeats (14.10/15): Arabian Catapult
Cavalry defeats (14.10/15): Arabian Catapult
Cavalry defeats (10.05/15): Arabian Catapult
Cavalry loses to: Arabian Rifleman (8.68/14)

Turn 265 (1775 AD)
Philadelphia begins: Cavalry
Chicago begins: Confucian Monastery
Texcoco begins: Grenadier
Grenadier promoted: City Garrison I
Grenadier promoted: City Garrison II
Cavalry defeats (12.45/15): Arabian Catapult
Cavalry promoted: Pinch
Cavalry defeats (10.50/15): Arabian Catapult
Cavalry promoted: Combat I
Cavalry promoted: Pinch
Cavalry defeats (14.70/15): Arabian Rifleman
Cavalry promoted: Combat III
Atlanta finishes: Cavalry
Seattle finishes: Cannon
Canterbury grows: 10
Hastings finishes: Cavalry
Coventry finishes: Theatre
Knight defeats (7.40/10): Arabian Catapult
Knight defeats (7.40/10): Arabian Catapult
Knight loses to: Arabian Rifleman (14.00/14)
Cavalry defeats (6.00/15): Arabian Camel Archer
Cavalry loses to: Arabian Camel Archer (8.00/10)

Turn 266 (1780 AD)
Atlanta begins: Cavalry
Seattle begins: Cavalry
Hastings begins: Cavalry
Coventry begins: Work Boat
Catapult loses to: Arabian Rifleman (12.74/14)
Cannon loses to: Arabian Rifleman (8.82/14)
Cannon promoted: Barrage I
Cannon loses to: Arabian Rifleman (7.84/14)
Grenadier defeats (10.20/12): Arabian Rifleman
Grenadier promoted: Combat I
Grenadier promoted: Pinch
Grenadier promoted: Combat II
Grenadier defeats (9.24/12): Arabian Rifleman
Grenadier defeats (1.92/12): Arabian Rifleman
Cavalry defeats (8.70/15): Arabian Rifleman
Pikeman defeats (3.96/6): Arabian Camel Archer
Cavalry defeats (3.75/15): Arabian Camel Archer
Grenadier defeats (6.36/12): Arabian Catapult
Cavalry promoted: Combat II
Cavalry defeats (12.75/15): Arabian Catapult
Cavalry defeats (9.75/15): Arabian Catapult
Cavalry defeats (15.00/15): Arabian Catapult
Judaism has spread: Mecca
Taoism has spread: Mecca
Captured Mecca (Saladin)
Cavalry defeats (9.60/15): Arabian Rifleman
Cavalry defeats (11.70/15): Arabian Catapult

Summery:
Early: Finished with England on the given turn, moved forces west, changed civics for extra 2xp, found LA by the sea to the south

Middle: declare on Saladin, produced lots troops and waited for Saladin to through its stacks on us.

late: moved massive forces to Mecca and capture it (on the extra turn I took just to do this). Saladin had in the capital 8 cats so I moved some troops off the main stack to be decoys, he took the bait!

I believe that we can take off Saladin now without even declaring peace to regroup. although it make take some time to do that due to its culture that forces us to move slowly.

dimaliok · Apr 25, 2006

waiter ill have a saladen sald with som meca :lol:

MailMan · Apr 26, 2006

Few more notes on my turn set:
- Mansa came to offer a deal to get Corporation for Chemistry which I gladly accepted. he later demanded MT but I refused.
- China canceled a deal that gave us sheep, Rome canceled open borders. our diplomatic relations are so red.
- I used the great engineer to get us iron works in Seattle. we should eventually get red cross over there.
- we need one more uni to build oxford in Chicago.
- win/lose ratio : 54/9 (4 of the loses are suicide cats and cannons, 2 were decoys) there were several retreats on each side.
- there are some unmoved troops in the last turn (I really wanted to take out Mecca) some of the troops are heading to siege the northern city (Medina IIRC), and the spill over Mecca forces can raze down the shouthern city.

namliaM · Apr 26, 2006

A little parce on the log, but nice work. To bad about the extra turn.

- Burglar => Skipped, Please check in
- Mailman => re-Started on the Salad
- namliaM => Up for 9 But cannot play today so make that tommorow
- rddc05 => On Deck (or up if you can take it today)
- SkunkDoctor => Out of action till Comp is fixed
- SpriteSoda

If going for Domination, should we shut down tech?

MailMan · Apr 26, 2006

namliaM said:
Up for 9 But cannot play today so make that tommorow

I think you can take the usual 10 turns since as it is we are in turn 266, so keeping exact 10 turns is not that important.

A little parce on the log

I had very little time left, I added some more info later

If going for Domination, should we shut down tech?

I think we should reach tanks and artillery (maybe even getting some navy seals). at least we should get infantry since the AI has rifles.

rddc05 · Apr 26, 2006

I wouldn't be able to take it until late tonight, so I'll go ahead and wait for my turn.

That was a nice job on the Sal attack. Not sure what to do about the diplo situation, or that we really need to do anything except be prepared for anyone to attack at any time. Good luck Namliam.

EDIT: Just looked at the save, here are some suggestions,

-Bumping the culture slider up to 20 takes care of most happiness problems
-We probably want to continue making Islam/Confucian missionaries even during war to convert newly conquered cities. Confucian buildings are great in these cities too (more assimilation and gold for us).
-Happiness is starting to be a real issue. Keep a close eye each turn for when Mansa hooks up those spices in the SW corner of the map to trade for them. Looks like he will get extra gold resource soon too.
-Forbidden Palace would be better at Mecca perhaps?

SpriteSODA · Apr 26, 2006

Very good job, I want Salad=P

namliaM · Apr 26, 2006

Got it, remember tho. Not playing before tomorrow...

-Happiness is starting to be a real issue. Keep a close eye each turn for when Mansa hooks up those spices in the SW corner of the map to trade for them. Looks like he will get extra gold resource soon too.

Wait and trade ??? :evil:

rddc05 · Apr 26, 2006

Hehe, the same thought occurred to me: "We should march over and take 'em." Might not be the "optimum" way in terms of diplomatic management/empire maintenance and earliest conquest, but certainly possible.

namliaM · Apr 27, 2006

Eek, this one nearly fell of the page

some seriouos SG-ing goings on...

Spoiler autolog :

Short and curlies, I took 2 more of Saladins cities. He is down to 2.

The ramainder of the Salad....

Our 'chefs' are getting a bit tired with all this cooking going on....

We need to finish the salad sooner or later...

- Burglar => Skipped (M), Please check in
- Mailman =>
- namliaM => Did his thing
- rddc05 => Up
- SkunkDoctor => Out of action till Comp is fixed
- SpriteSoda => On deck for new targets

Well I actually nearly forgot to add the save.... So here it is...

SpriteSODA · Apr 27, 2006

Sooo, who's shall we attack next? =P
Btw the next game is with the aztecs?

MailMan · Apr 27, 2006

wow +15 WW.
We should consider grabbing Kafuh, re-group, attack Monti and in about 30-35 turns finish off with Saladin.

SpriteSODA · Apr 27, 2006

Next player give us some details about our proximity to domination victory plz.

rddc05 · Apr 27, 2006

I see it, will d/l it when I get home from work and try to play it later tonight. Will check the thread before my turns, so please post your suggestions and observations.

namliaM · Apr 28, 2006

As per request

And a mini map

About the next game, alphabet... next .... I am not sure... Aztecs seem close tho...
First things first I am going to participate in SGOTM, so I will probably wait untill atleast 1 more of the SGs has finished untill starting the next one...

Be adviced rddc, there will be quite some goto's left mostly workers heading north and some units heading West.
I Pillaged some of the farms while waiting and bombing Saladin, so we have something to do for our workers and so we had some extra $$$.
I didnt pillage any cottages (and alike).

I think we should head (techs) for Rails, faster troop movement and more hammers....

rddc05 · Apr 28, 2006

Sorry I didn't get to this last night guys, R/L and all. Will definitely play it tonight.

Don't worry bout the goto's. At this point in the game, with so many units to manage, they are welcome as far as I am concerned.

I did notice a spare settler but there aren't any real good city sites. I'm open to suggestions.

SpriteSODA · Apr 28, 2006

I think that we will win this by backdoor domination-we allready got 41% of pop so it will be quicker then true domination.

namliaM · Apr 28, 2006

Backdoor domination??

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