TNT Files - Term 5

[peter grimes]

I like it in principal, but I don't understand why we'd need to 'give w/ accept'. Is the idea that they enter the MA at the same time as us?

 

[Chamnix]

They don't get their free tech until they have the Ancient Age techs completed. There will be no option to place their MA tech on the table until we have gifted them out of the Ancient Age.

 

[General_W]

I like this plan.
Best to hold off on mentioning it until we get construction and see what we get for our free MA tech. (If we get Feud - there's really no need to trade)

IIRC, we can select Monotheism as our next research project after we advance - forcing our Free tech to be either Feud or Engineering.
They key is that after we get our last AA tech, we need to que up our next research project and not wait for the game to just give us our Tech.

Is that right?

 

[Chamnix]

I definitely agree that there is no need to mention it to TNT yet...

I didn't think there was anything we could do to influence our free tech - I thought it was decided before we could even choose our next project, but when the time comes, tell me exactly what to do, and we'll try it - it certainly can't do any harm.

 

[General_W]

What IS TNT doing?!?

Where’s a reply to our construction proposal??

It's making me nervous that they aren't even talking about the deal with us.

We better come clean asap… it’s not like them to not say anything with the save.

 

[fe3333au]

I must be missing something ... cos you are ALL talking about us doing the dirty with the TNT Agreement I sent.

TNT Agreement III

> Assurances that our respective knowledges will not be traded on
1. We are not to pass on Constitution to others ... We are not.
2. They in turn cannot trade on Literature or Polytheism to others.

> On Signing and when Sent
3. We will not be trading Polytheism nor Literature
4. They will not be trading on Construction

So our consciounce is clear is it not ... or am I missing something profound like we want to pass on Construction to KISS?

Reason for Delay
1. Speeding game turn cycle ... less than 24 hour turn around of the save.
2. Not many players and therefore falling behind in clerical work.
3. They want to be able to trade on Construction to others.

 

[Chamnix]

Reason for Delay
1. Speeding game turn cycle ... less than 24 hour turn around of the save.
2. Not many players and therefore falling behind in clerical work.
3. They want to be able to trade on Construction to others.

All very plausible, but don't forget #4:

4. KISS has offered more than we have for Construction, and despite saying "If you would accept this one condition, we will gladly sign any document for the trade" they are now considering not signing.

I suggest we be prepared to raise our offer if necessary. I would go as high as every Ancient Age tech we have plus our free MA tech for Construction and their free MA tech (if we get the same one, then oh well). KISS obviously can't match the MA part of the deal. I think we can be patient for now (although if someone can catch them in a chat and inquire casually about the status, go for it), but we need to be ready.

We really need this deal to go through in some form - it is not just about getting Construction (aqueducts) and getting our free MA tech, it is also about keeping Construction from KISS.

 

[fe3333au]

Could well be, KISS did mention in the chat you had that they had been in contact with TNT.

I will PM to Greeyguy the following PM

Hi greekguy

I am just checking if you received through your team's g-mail an agreement from us ... you may recall that my computer had to be rebuilt and configed lately, unfortunately my e-mail is still acting up.

Please confirm receipt of the above mentioned correspondence.

Regards

fe3333au

 

[fe3333au]

Just sent this via PM to TNT Turntaker Donsig

Testing ... Testing

Hi Donsig

Although greekguy is our designated contact person I am sending this to you, just in case there are AWOL issues.

You will probably be aware that I have only recently returned myself after an unexpected and frustrating absence from the game due to technical difficulties ... my system is now working after a labourious rebuild and format session ... however my e-mail is still acting up.

This is the reason I am sending this ... I am requesting confirmation of receipt of recent correspondence sent to you via your team g-mail address.

Actually I would like more than that since we were replying to your somewhat urgent request to concrete a trade agreement.

Sent was ...
1. A draft Agreement for Construction ... this of course can be altered to better suit your requirements if necessary.
2. Questions about the overseas conflict
3. and an opening to discuss future directions, with a possible view for mutual assistance.

Regards

Feaurius III
MIA Foreign Minister

 

[fe3333au]

Starting to get pissed off so decided to send this terse message

Sent to TNT G-mail, Donsig and greekguy



Where have all the manners gone

Hello ... is there anybody out there?

I find myself pacing back and forth, back and forth ... all the while contemplating where all the game courtesy has gone.

We have responded to a somewhat urgent request made by your team offering a trade deal and so far after numerous efforts to get a reply ... are still being kept waiting.

Numerous also were the times I mentioned that my e-mail has been glitching up and am unsure if you received our draft Agreement for trade in your g-mail box.

I have yet to receive acknowledgement that you received it let alone discussing what was proposed, even though a number of turns have cycled through.

Please take the couple of minutes to reply.

I am still assuming that this is a communication problem and not a deliberate attempt to waste our time.

Regards and still pacing

fe3333au

 

[fe3333au]

Arrr ... I like it when things go as planned ... and now we have a reply from TNT

My apologies for not replying yesterday. Work has been busy and I'm Judge Advocate in the demogame which has also required much of my time lately. Also, the war has not gone well. It has become a stanant thing and we are learning that it is not very easy to invade well defended territory. Our strength has been sapped and our taste for war satified. We have offered peace to the Iroqi but have heard nothing from them. The Iroqi may have to learn how difficult it is to invade well defended territory before the war ends. The Grand Vizeer. donsig, was killed leading an attack on the Iroqi.

We did recieve your parchment and were about to sign it when we heard from the Galls. They seem to know we are researching construction and want us to teach them its secrets when we learn them. The interesting point was their claim to have all ancient age techs (except construction). Last we knew they needed both horseback riding and currency. We do know they are in anarchy. We decided to hold off on signing the deal with you until we saw the save and tried to figure out who knew what. Any light you can shed on this matter would be appreciated.

We would also appreciate knowledge you have of relative military strengths. We are weak compared to the Iroqi, average compared to the Galls and you are weak compred to us. Perhaps by comparing what your military advisor ays with what ours says we both can get a better idea of the strength of the Iroqi and Galls.

We will have construction in two turns so we still have a little time to work things out. Let us hope we each get a different tech upon entering the middle ages.

signed
donsig II

 

[fe3333au]

Interesting ...

Damn seems the war may be halted soon on Battle Isle

More important is that KISS have approached TNT and want Construction.

Again so no hard feelings are harboured, I sent this via PM straight away.

Thanks Donsig

No offence taken nor intended, just wanted to see if e-mail was sending correctly.

I am sorry to hear that the war has stalled ... being Greek I have a saying that may give comfort, When one finds himself deep in the darkest of places, the only way to go is then up where each step has a brighter light

I am preparing another letter to perhaps persuade you to deal with us as opposed to the idiot KISS, however a chat would be most welcome my AIM is fe3333au.

But quickly regarding our Military Pophead Advisor ... we alas are Weak to all


Regards

Feaurius III
Foreign Minister MIA

 

[fe3333au]

What to do

1. Tell them about the deal with KISS? ... Republic for every tech we got.

2. Tell them about our tense relations with KISS?

3. Tell them about our wandering Warrior? ... and that he is just a tourist?

4. Offer more techs?

5. Offer to swap MA techs if necessary to cement the Construction deal?
> This is our only advantage over KISS ... at least we have open dialogue ... I fear TNT hold the better hand though

6. Caveat that NO Construction dealing with KISS permitted?

7. Caveat that NO Construction trade with Nuts permitted?

Your thoughts gentle people ... we have 2 turns until Construction has been discovered.


This could be how things go ... check if possible with the techs especially.

Turn 2 ... TNT
> Construction discovered ... is sent without ACCEPT to us.

Turn 2 ... MIA
> We send Deal techs (probably all) with ACCEPT

Turn 3 ... TNT
> get Deal techs (including Polytheism)
> enter the MA ... get free tech
> send message informing the MA tech
> send MA Tech with ACCEPT

Turn 3 ... MIA
> get Construction
> get MA tech
> get free MA tech 2
> probably send MA tech 2 with ACCEPT

Is this the way to ensure that we both get other MA technologies ????

8. Who should enter MA first, MIA or TNT ??

 

[gbno1fan]

I think we need to enter into an agreement with TNT that is similar to the one we've had with KISS. Things are obviously not going to go well with KISS in the near future, and we need to focus on what else we can do. I suggest we do everything we can to get TNT to sign an agreement with us.

The fact that their war is ending could even play into our advantage. Imagine a world where KISS is attacked by TNT unexpectedly in the North while their army is fighting us near our border.

If TNT can manage to keep KISS thinking they are peaceful as well, it could lead to a huge advantage for us and TNT.

I'm all for sharing techs with TNT in the future. In fact, I support all of the things you have mentioned, fe.

 

[fe3333au]

I have added the order of trade while gbno1fan posted ...

it galls me that TNT will benefit the whole kit and kaboodle for playing as they did ... but KISS has forced our hand I think

 

[Chamnix]

What to do

1. Tell them about the deal with KISS? ... Republic for every tech we got.

2. Tell them about our tense relations with KISS?

3. Tell them about our wandering Warrior? ... and that he is just a tourist?

4. Offer more techs?

5. Offer to swap MA techs if necessary to cement the Construction deal?
> This is our only advantage over KISS ... at least we have open dialogue ... I fear TNT hold the better hand though

6. Caveat that NO Construction dealing with KISS permitted?

7. Caveat that NO Construction trade with Nuts permitted?

Your thoughts gentle people ... we have 2 turns until Construction has been discovered.

1. I don't know - exposing our Poly/Lit trade just before promising not to still will comes across as underhanded. I honestly have no idea how to talk our way out of this one.

2. Absolutely - and emphasize again that we are weak compared to KISS and have been for some time. If KISS gets any outside help, then they will doubtless rule our continent, and that is good for nobody.

3. Sure - actually he is a spy who was providing TNT information about Doughnuts. We already gave them some nuggets, and we will try to provide more.

4. Yes. Offer anything.

5. Yes. All our Ancient Age techs plus our freebie for Constuction and their freebie. KISS can't match that.

6&7. Yes, but neither KISS nor Donuts will have anything to offer for Construction anyway so this is probably a non-issue.

Bottom line - do whatever it takes to get us Construction. We can offer more than KISS and are less threatening than KISS. The only reason they have not to trade with us is that they are unhappy about our recent trade with KISS and our slipperiness, so make them happy!!

 

[Chamnix]

I have added the order of trade while gbno1fan posted ...

it galls me that TNT will benefit the whole kit and kaboodle for playing as they did ... but KISS has forced our hand I think

Yes, we did all that work to get ahead of the other continent, and they have given it all back... as far as number 8, I don't think it matters.

 

[fe3333au]

The perceived slipperiness can easily be explained as us having entered a deal and although relationships began to sour, we were honour bound to deliver ...

This must make them aware that we are a team of our word.

I will send something after we have had our turn ...

perhaps we can also trade the D-Nut embassy picture ... I believe that it is cool to do so.

 

[fe3333au]

Regarding point 8 ... I would hate for our MA Tech to be the same as the one granted to TNT.

 

[gbno1fan]

It hasn't all been given back...dnuts still won't have the techs unless KISS is dumb enough to deal it to them. Refocus the way you see the deal we've had with KISS...instead of seeing as a way to get ahead of TNT and Dnuts, see it as our way of getting ahead of Dnuts. Now we need to get ahead of KISS.

As far as seeming underhanded to KISS, let's face it...talks have broken down and war is inevitable. We should now consider KISS to be an enemy. Why should we care if they think we're underhanded?

I propose that we agree to trade techs with TNT and in the MA one of us focuses on getting Metallurgy while the other focuses on Navigation.