TNT Files Term 7 - 9

[fe3333au]

I think we could use other descriptive

So do we unshakle the deadwood or try to salvage and create something from their mess?

 

[fe3333au]

Answer on Worker question from Donsig

I think we've only lost one worker to them. It was one we were unable to move at the time of the invasion.

donsig

I replied with this

Interesting they must be trading workers with the Nutters then ... unless your worker was originally captured in your previous war. But I thought you returned him.

 

[General_W]

This just in to our team Mail box...

Dear MIA,

I'm very sorry to hear that my esteemed colleague, fe3333au, is temporarily unable to correspond with myself. I wish him a quick and speedy recovery from his medical ailment.

Now, it is time to get down to business. After much discussion following the chat between our two teams, we have the following to offer. We propose a trade deal with us providing you fine Ironic Silks, while in exchange, you will inform us of the knowledge of Theology. This deal will further increase the happiness of your people, while you further enhance your allies' knowledge of science. We hope you find this trade fair.

Also, we have to talk about research strategy. Our team has concluded that it is a neccessity of both our civs, for one of our nations to research the technology of Invention. We are unsure as to who should research this tech, as we can't resume research for another 10 turns or so, and we also need to coordinate our research, so we don't "double research" a tech. Please tell us what tech tree branch you plan on researching, and we can go from there as to who should research the pivotal tech of Invention.

Additionally, I have been instructed by my team to inform you of the current KISS war situation. As of this turn, the Galls have built two cities on our continent, Spite and Malice. Spite was founded first on an Iron Hill, while Malice was built the following turn, nestled next to the coast and a river. We have a stack of pikemen and workers near the city of Spite, the city closest to our Empire's borders. We also have a stack of Immortals deeper in our territory, which we are quickly building up. We are also building trebuchets to go along with our growing army. The army we are amassing will destroy the two enemy cities and secure our continent for the people of Iron. Now, to further increase our chances of a successful battle, we are hoping you can aid us a few different ways. We are wondering if you have an Embassy established with KISS. If you do, is there anyway you can do a diplomatic spying operation in the cities of Spite and/or Malice? Also, we noticed you have a knight wandering our continent. We would like to offer you a Right of Passage agreement, to help your knight glide through our Empire. This would help you grasp the shape of our continent better, and hopefully catch sight of the enemy cities. So, would a RoP be possible for you?

Please respond soon.

Bye for now.

greekguy, TNT Greek Ambassador

My quick 2 cents:
I'm cool with the tech swap... although we sould probably talk to them about delaying the trade till Nuts or KISS get it... I can't imagine what they need Theology right away for anyway?

The ROP I think is unnecessary. But it's not the end of the world if we sign one.

 

[Chamnix]

TNT needs Theology now so they can build the Sistine Chapel...

I'm OK with silks for Theology (after the KISSNuts have it), but there is probably a better approach. Regarding what tech path we are doing - we are doing both of them. We will take care of techs and sell them cheap (hopefully that's not a lie although we will see what Dnuts have to say). In particular, we will get Invention - it may make more sense to trade silks for Invention instead of for Theology since TNT has limited items to offer, and the military branch should be higher priority to them (although they are no doubt dying to cash-rush some universities ).

I really would prefer TNT not know the details of just how fast our research is right now, but I'm not sure how to explain to them how useless theirs is otherwise...

We can spy on Spite and Malice - the only problem is it costs money. I was thinking about that before but didn't want to mention it to TNT. I don't really want to spend our money on that, and I don't really want to spend their money on it either. The problem is that TNT is still arrogant - they think they will throw KISS off their continent then maybe counterattack. The reality is that TNT is fighting for their very existence. With KISS being able to outproduce them by such a huge margin, TNT should be thinking in terms of kill ratio, and attacking a KISS city fortified on a hill (and probably with walls soon if not already) is a surefire way to lose a lot more units than they kill.

RoP - I'll abstain from voting on that one. The advantage is that we can get our knight into spy position more quickly; the disadvantage is that we broadcast our alliance with TNT to the KISSNuts.

 

[peter grimes]

There is practically no way I would support spending money to spy on Spite or Malice. When we spy on the town, KISS will then have a turn, then TNT. The turn order is all wrong. If TNT were offering to spy on a KISS town for us, that would be a completely different matter. Spying of KISS for the benefit of TNT is an absolute, complete waste of Gold, whether it be TNT's or MIA's. Better to spend the gold on Immortals.

TNT needs Theology now so they can build the Sistine Chapel...

Ha Ha Ha!!!! So true!.... but I think, at the very least, we should offer to trade them Invention for Silks... assuming, of course, they still have access to them

I'm still not against a RoP, but, as more people weigh in on the other side, I become more and more unsure of my reasoning. I think it may be obvious to the other teams that we are helping out TNT... if so, a RoP does no harm to our international standing. But if I'm wrong, and niether KISS nor DNUT have perceived our arrangement, then a RoP would be a sure tip-off. In which case, we should not sign.

 

[Chamnix]

I'm sure everyone knows we are helping TNT - they know we swap techs, and they also know we are providing them furs. It's just a matter of degree - an RoP with a knight cutting through their territory shows an unprecedented level of trust, and I think it will be clear that the reason for it was to provide information about KISS to TNT. If our unit moves through neutral territory to get there, then it's a bit more plausible that we are observing out of our own curiousity and not necessarily providing TNT lots of information.

Everyone knows we are rooting against KISS, but they may not know how far we'll go.

 

[fe3333au]

Strange indeed ... I'll probably be able to get something done tomorrow or later tonight.

We will have time as they don't have the lux hooked up yet ... and will have to wait for the other's to research it first ... which will be very interesting for the KISS analysis team as it will appear that everyone received it at the same turn.

I also want to send warning that KISS have a potential of 2 more cities being founded.

Good reasoning for us not city peaking due to turn order as well

However saying that the costs are - Malice 32 gold and Spite 31 gold, which won't exactly break our bank ... If they are incistant, what if TNT agree to pay for it?

I've never really exploring these options before, is there a chance that KISS will detect our probe?

 

[azzaman333]

However saying that the costs are - Malice 32 gold and Spite 31 gold, which won't exactly break our bank ... If they are incistant, what if TNT agree to pay for it?

we should tell them that we need 70 gold per investigation.

I've never really exploring these options before, is there a chance that KISS will detect our probe?

Im pretty sure we cant get caught investigating cities.

 

[General_W]

Hey - if TNT want's to pay for the investigation.. I say let them
(But maybe just charge 40 gold?) We should still warn them of the limited use of the investigation - due to the turn order.

I'm also pretty sure you can't get caught on an investigation.

 

[fe3333au]

Proposed Responce ... want to send soon

To greekguy, Donsig and all at TNT

Responding to your recent correspondence.

As of Turn 129 ... Military Strengths
> MIA is STRONG compared to Nuts
> MIA is AVERAGE compared to TNT
> MIA is WEAK compared to KISS

Regarding KISS expansion, it is our belief that they have possibly 2 settlers that are unaccounted for and therefore headed your way. Therefore we strongly urge you to discontinue the building of peace time infrastructure and concentrate solely on military. I sincerely hope that this doesn't come across too preachy, but you need to take steps to plug the passage of KISS settlers and reinforcements!

Regarding the swap of Theology for Silks, MIA agree to this but our condition is that we will wait until this knowledge has been discovered by our rivals ... this way they will have longer to research it. When exactly will you be ready to send the luxury?

Regarding technology, we are wondering why you want Theology, surely a military technology would be more useful especially considering that KISS are mid Golden Age and are churning unit after unit to throw at you.

Our Knight will make his way into your territory soon and our galley is also very slowing moving into a spotter position for you. We decline a formal ROP as this will alert our rivals to the closeness of our relationship and it has also been decided that the 77 gold required for an embassy could be better spent on allowing us to rush research.

Regarding your request for us to 'peek' into the cities of Malice and Spite, unfortunately due to the turn order the intel that we could give would be outdated by the time you receive it. The cost for us to 'peek' these outposts is 32 and 31 gold respectively, we are happy to do this for you but you will have to pay the cost.

Regarding your research, due to the current desperate situation that KISS have forced on you, we feel that in the interim it is prudent for you to concentrate on cash accumulation so you can rush naval and ground forces.

Only once the KISS threat has been properly addressed would it be beneficial to begin researching properly. However if you desire to research now, we would like you to consider slow burning (10%) a technology that is essential for the era jump or wait until we have discovered Invention. MIA is confident that we can research Invention before you will be able to. That way you could concentrate on the discovery of a militarily useful technology.

We understand that this is probably not the response you wanted, but the KISS threat is a prime concern to us and must be taken very seriously.

Regards

Feaurius III
MIA Foreign Minister

 

[Chamnix]

However if you desire to research now, we would like you to consider slow burning (10%) a technology that is essential for the era jump or wait until we have discovered Invention. MIA is confident that we can research Invention before you will be able to. That way you could concentrate on the discovery of a militarily useful technology.

There is nothing for TNT to research - there are no required techs they can research now except Invention, and once we get Invention, the only available required tech will be Gunpowder, and MIA will do that as well.

 

[peter grimes]

I would drop the language about the era jump. Talk of the distant future is likely to embolden them to build libraries and colosseums. Our point about the desperation of their situation will be more forceful if we stick to the immediate future.

Any mention of Invention should only be done in the context of a trade for Silks.

 

[fe3333au]

Good point ... how about this

Proposed Responce ... want to send soon

To greekguy, Donsig and all at TNT

Responding to your recent correspondence ... and this is going to sound very preachy ... sorry.

As of Turn 129 ... Military Strengths
> MIA is STRONG compared to Nuts
> MIA is AVERAGE compared to TNT
> MIA is WEAK compared to KISS

Regarding KISS expansion, it is our belief that they have possibly 2 settlers that are unaccounted for and therefore headed your way. With this in mind, we strongly urge you to discontinue the building of peace time infrastructure and concentrate solely on military. I sincerely hope that this doesn't come across as arrogant, but you need to take steps to plug the passage of KISS settlers and reinforcements!

Your offer to the swap Theology for Silks is acceptible, but our condition is that we will wait until this knowledge has been discovered by our rivals prior to a swap ... this way they will have longer to research it. When exactly will you be ready to send the luxury?

On the subject of technology, we are wondering why you want Theology, surely a military technology would be more useful especially considering that KISS are mid Golden Age and are churning unit after unit to throw at you.

Our Knight will make his way into your territory soon and our galley is also very slowly covering the distance to act as a KISS spotter for you. We decline a formal ROP as this will alert our rivals to the closeness of our relationship and it has also been decided that the 77 gold required for an embassy could be better spent on allowing us to rush research.

Regarding your request for us to 'peek' into the cities of Malice and Spite, unfortunately due to the turn order the intel that we could give would be outdated by the time you receive it. The cost for us to 'peek' these outposts is 32 and 31 gold respectively, we are happy to do this for you but you will have to pay the cost.

Now to the issue of research, due to the current desperate situation that KISS have forced on you, we feel that in the interim it is prudent for you to concentrate on cash accumulation so you can rush naval and ground forces.

Only once the KISS threat has been properly addressed would it be beneficial for you to begin researching properly. MIA is confident that we are able to research technology faster than you can manage at this point. We therefore and I really must stress this as it addressed our concerns for your survival, ... We strongly urge you not to get distracted into conducting your own research until it is safe to do so. You must wait at least until KISS' Golden Age is exhausted.

We understand that this is probably not the response you wanted, but the KISS threat is a prime concern to us all and must be taken very seriously.

We are open to discuss any alternative points of view you may have.


Regards

Feaurius III
MIA Foreign Minister

 

[General_W]

I love it Fe...

It's a little hash… but they are playing stupidly. I just hope they don't react badly and freak out on us.

Maybe adding…

One of the highest duties of friendship is to be able to tell a friend when you think they are making a mistake. Please understand that this letter is motivated by our sincere desire to see you rise and conquer!
To Glory and Victory!

Your friends At MIA,
Feaurius III
MIA Foreign Minister

would help soften it a bit without lessening the dire nature of what they must do?

 

[fe3333au]

I like that and will add tomorrow ...

Just realised that we are rejecting ALL their offers and requests ... shall we say that we will sell techs for half price or something like that ... or leave it as is?

 

[Chamnix]

Parts of it could be amended slightly to sound less rejectionist. For example:

Your offer to the swap Theology for Silks is acceptible, but our condition is that we will wait until this knowledge has been discovered by our rivals prior to a swap ... this way they will have longer to research it. When exactly will you be ready to send the luxury?

On the subject of technology, we are wondering why you want Theology, surely a military technology would be more useful especially considering that KISS are mid Golden Age and are churning unit after unit to throw at you.

could become:

We will gladly give you Theology for silks. However, we would prefer not to reduce the price for our enemies so it would be best to wait until they have discovered it themselves. In addition, in order to help you out as much as possible, we have determined that it is probably best for MIA to research Invention. Maybe it would be best to sell your silks for Invention instead of Theology? Let us know which you would prefer.

and

Regarding your request for us to 'peek' into the cities of Malice and Spite, unfortunately due to the turn order the intel that we could give would be outdated by the time you receive it. The cost for us to 'peek' these outposts is 32 and 31 gold respectively, we are happy to do this for you but you will have to pay the cost.

could become:

Regarding your request for us to 'peek' into the cities of Malice and Spite, unfortunately due to the turn order the intel that we could give would be outdated by the time you receive it. The cost for us to 'peek' these outposts is 32 and 31 gold respectively, so if you still want us to spy for you anyway, just send the gold on whatever turn you want the information.

Better or worse?

 

[General_W]

Better! - I like it a bit softer.

TNT can still be useful... if we can get them to play smarter.
You catch more flies with sugar than with vinegar!

 

[fe3333au]

I agree in softening the lecture.

Title ... MIA Position

To greekguy, Donsig and all at TNT

Responding to your recent correspondence ... and this is going to sound very preachy ... sorry.

As of Turn 129 ... Military Strengths
> MIA is STRONG compared to Nuts
> MIA is AVERAGE compared to TNT
> MIA is WEAK compared to KISS

Regarding KISS expansion, it is our belief that they have possibly 2 settlers that are unaccounted for and therefore headed your way. With this in mind, we strongly urge you to discontinue the building of peace time infrastructure and concentrate solely on military. I sincerely hope that this doesn't come across as arrogant, but you need to take steps to plug the passage of KISS settlers and reinforcements!

We will gladly give you Theology for your Silks. However, we would prefer not to reduce the price for our enemies so it would be best to wait until they have discovered it themselves. In addition, in order to help you out as much as possible, we have determined that it is probably best for MIA to research Invention while you concentrate solely on addressing the KISS invasion. Considering that the Idiots are mid Golden Age and are churning unit after unit to throw at you, maybe it would be best to sell your Silks for Invention instead of Theology? Let us know which you would prefer.

Our Knight will make his way into your territory soon and our galley is also very slowly covering the distance to act as a KISS spotter for you. We decline a formal ROP as this will alert our rivals to the closeness of our relationship and it has also been decided that the 77 gold required for an embassy could be better spent on allowing us to rush research.

Regarding your request for us to 'peek' into the cities of Malice and Spite, unfortunately due to the turn order the intel that we could give would be outdated by the time you receive it. The cost for us to 'peek' these outposts is 32 and 31 gold respectively, so if you still want us to spy for you, just send the gold on whatever turn you want the information.

Now to the issue of research, due to the current desperate situation that KISS have forced on you, we feel that in the interim it is prudent for you to concentrate on cash accumulation so you can rush naval and ground forces.

Only once the KISS threat has been properly addressed would it be beneficial for you to begin researching properly. MIA is confident that we are able to research technology faster than you can manage at this point. We therefore and I really must stress this as it addressed our concerns for your survival, ... We strongly urge you not to get distracted into conducting your own research until it is safe to do so. You must wait at least until KISS' Golden Age is exhausted.

We understand that this is probably not the response you wanted, but the KISS threat is a prime concern to us all and must be taken very seriously.

We also feel that one of the highest duties of friendship is to be able to tell a friend when you think they are making a mistake. Please understand that this letter is motivated by our sincere desire to see you rise and conquer!

We are open to discuss any alternative points of view you may have.


Regards

Feaurius III
MIA Foreign Minister

Sent to g-mail and Donsig, greekguy

 

[classical_hero]

It is a good thing that I am not in discussing with TNT right now.

 

[fe3333au]

Not sure what you mean ... why and what would you be discussing with TNT ... better leave that sort of thing to Foreign Offices

Sent to TNT

Title ... Turn 130 Intel

Military Strengths relative to MIA, after we trained a new Knight
> Nut's ... STRONG
> TNT ... AVERAGE
> KISS ... WEAK

City Peaking cost
> Spite - 31 gold
> Malice - 32 gold

KISS founded Wilde Side on our continent ... leaving 1 settler unaccounted for.

I am under assumption that it is permitted to give military unit production info ... if not I will not mention again or be vague.