TNT Files Term 7 - 9

Well, Chamnix, you just said about the same thing as I was saying to Fe in a chat after I read Donsig's rants. I have a feeling he's pretty young. In any case, MIA is winning this game, at least for the time being; and we are doing it in a way that is consistent and doesn't entail any paradoxes. For some reason, I find pleasure and satisfaction in that.
 
From our doomed friends at TNT...

Trebuchet bombards KISS vetern pikeman. Bombardment successful (3/4)
Trebuchet bombards KISS vetern pikeman. Bombardment failed. (4/4)
Trebuchet bombards KISS vetern pikeman. Bombardment failed. (4/4)
Trebuchet bombards KISS vetern pikeman. Bombardment successful (3/4)
Trebuchet bombards KISS vetern pikeman. Bombardment successful (3/4)
Trebuchet bombards KISS vetern pikeman. Bombardment failed. (3/4)
Immortal attacks KISS vet (3/4) pikeman. Pikeman wins (1/4)
Immortal #5 attacks KISS vet (3/4) pikeman. Immortal wins (3/3)
Immortal #6 attacks KISS vet pikeman. Pikeman wins (2/4).

Immortal attacks Nut elite Mounted Warrior. Immortal wins (3/4).
Horseman attacks Nut vet Mounted Warrior. Mounted warrior wins (2/5).

Strong against the Nuts.
Weak against MIA.
Weak against KISS.
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Sent to greekguy and g-mail

TNT

Thanks for the Battle Log ... seems it was an even encounter with your foes ... and you weakened KISS :salute:

There is still no change in Military Strength for us, we are STRONG to all but KISS who we are WEAK to :(

We plan to move Knight SW then S, hopefully we will remain undetected.

Cheers MIA
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Strider sent Battle Log received from KISS ... was informed in a chat (during Robi chat)

Battle @ Carpetbomb:
vLB dies to vPike (3/5)*
vLB dies to 3/5 pike (1/5)*
vLB dies to vImm (1/4)*
vLB kills 1/5 pike, promotes (4/5)*
vLB kills ¼ LB (2/4)*, and we raze the town + capture Trebs + 3 workers

* denotes defensive bombardment
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here is chat report

StridTNT: Hey
fe3333au: Hey matey
StridTNT: You get both sets of battle logs?
fe3333au: We recived one ... attacking with trebs Nuts and also a KISS interaction ... which came in single report ... was there another?
StridTNT: I sent one from when I played, then I sent the one from when KISS played when we got it.
fe3333au: g-mail?
StridTNT: Yep
fe3333au: Oh I havn't checked yet ... just woke from Nap ... had many Jagermeisters this arvo :blush:
StridTNT: Are you checking now?
fe3333au: 5 secs ... sloow dialup ... make that 1 minute ... bloody technology
fe3333au: see it ... opening now

Reaction to KISS' Carpetbomb attack
fe3333au: oach !!!
StridTNT: Carpetbomb we may beable to re-take next turn. Depends on how the RNG treats us.
fe3333au: It is getting a bit better judging from last report
StridTNT: If we re-take it, the KISS invasion force would be completely wiped out and the Nuts will only have 4 MW's left.
fe3333au: Fingers crossed

About the trade thing
fe3333au: We lost trade ... so game must take a cycle to take loss of harbour into account ... we had just sent you iron as well :(
StridTNT: We will have our new iron source hooked up in 2-3 turns, thanks though.

Strider's take on things
StridTNT: I think both KISS and the nuts expected to make more progress than they currently are.
fe3333au: over confident?
StridTNT: Sounds like it.

Who is incharge of TNT defence?
fe3333au: so are you turn taker now or still swapping
StridTNT: I'm still the turn taker, I had some conquests problems acouple days ago though. ... That's why we had problems playing the save, because I couldn't get to it.
fe3333au: seems like it is common problem ... in another pbem same thing
fe3333au: It is not the save is it?
StridTNT: Nope, my conquests was acting fishy weeks beforehand. ... I could only load up conquests after I restarted, otherwise it wouldn't load. Then it just stopped loading at all.
fe3333au: so reinstall?
StridTNT: Tried it, the re-install didn't work. Ended up re-formatting the entire hard drive and starting over.
fe3333au: shivers ... that's a bummer ... lose much?
StridTNT: Not really, most things I want to keep are on another hard drive away from windows etc.
fe3333au: wise man :-)
StridTNT: Lost a nice character in Diablo II, forgot to copy him over before I formatted, but oh well.

Back to the Game
StridTNT: Anyway, I think KISS expected to do alot more damage with both of their stacks then what they did.
fe3333au: We will settle near silks next turn or so ... just to ensure a supply ... call it a back up ... next we will settle a coastal and then link up ... and then trade route re-established ... any workers you have could speed up the process for you getting iron supply
StridTNT: We have another source of Iron that will be up in no time. Can we have an estimate how appro. how long untill you launch an invasion?

Hmmm ... How to answer ...(many time gaps so I just kept adding)
fe3333au: Once we establish a breach head ... also we are maddly producing units ... we want to send a force that will do damage ... so cannot give an answer with exact timing ... But once a city founded ... that will make Nuts take notice ... and I assume diplo messages with them commence ... we may be able to get them to back off just with that ... you never know ... they are WEAK compared to us ... we also have new Defence minister (this turn) so he may be able to give better idea ...

Finally I mentioned the peace with KISS timeline
fe3333au: Also after turn 166 will probably prove to be interesting regarding KISS
StridTNT: It's only turn 140 right now, so we still have 26 turns left.
fe3333au: until official peace ends with KISS yes

Addressed their frustration
fe3333au: I understand TNT's frustration with us ... but we will not strip our home defence (the intel you supplied has made it clear that KISS are waiting for turn 166 as well) ... the game has reached a critical point
StridTNT: We can handle the Nuts by themselves, maybe even KISS by themselves, but we won't beable to survive long with both of them sending troops towards us.
fe3333au: Hopefully pressure can be eased off soon

<I was confused with a previous comment about retaking Carpetbomb ... so after re-reading Battle Log>
fe3333au: So just to clarify ... KISS have taken Carpetbomb or razed it?
StridTNT: No idea really, if they razed it then it's their lost. ... Not possible way they can heal those units up fast enough. They'd be dead within the turn if they razed the city.
fe3333au: last line ... vLB kills &#188; LB (2/4)*, and we raze the town + capture Trebs + 3 workers
StridTNT: Yep, they won't survive the next turn most likely.
fe3333au: depends on the damned random generator LOL
StridTNT: The only units left is a 1/4 pikeman, 2/4 pikeman, 4/5 LB, and a 2/4 LB ... Out of an invasion force of 3 pikes and 7 longbows..
fe3333au: that's very good odds in your favour ... and you get workers and trebs back :D
StridTNT: Without any coastal cities there going to have alot more trouble launching attacks against us.
fe3333au: True
StridTNT: Anyway, your settling the silks city next turn, correct?
fe3333au: next or turn after next ... sorry still fuzzy from over indulgence of alcohol this afternoon

<chatted about life ... then cya>
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I guess I did most of talking here
 
Very soon we're going to have to tell TNT that we've made a deal with the Nutters.

I'd like to propose that we offer TNT some economic aid along with our appologies. (200 gold?)
It does appear that TNT is doing some modest damage to KISS... and that's always a worthwhile thing for us to support (imo).
Maybe we can even supply them with some tech - (Have we given them Invention yet?)

Anyway - just throwing that out there.
 
What I would like to attemp is persuade Nutters to back off and leave KISS to deal with TNT alone on the condition that they can keep what they have captured.

I would then relay this to TNT and stress that we have managed to remove one enemy for them allowing them to concentrate on KISS.

This makes everyone happy ... except KISS :lol:

I would not mention anything else until our Battle Island cities are well defended.
 
StridTNT: If we re-take it, the KISS invasion force would be completely wiped out and the Nuts will only have 4 MW's left.
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StridTNT: I think both KISS and the nuts expected to make more progress than they currently are.
fe3333au: over confident?
StridTNT: Sounds like it.
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Someone is overconfident, but it ain't the KISSNuts. Things just don't sink in over there - KISS was strong to us, and we were strong to TNT, and KISS just gained (and TNT lost) 4+ trebbies. KISS invasion force is not even close to wiped out, and they have so much more productive capability than TNT it's laughable.

As far as doing more damage, their stack razed two towns (population 4 and 8, I think), destroyed TNT's only trade route, and captured 4 workers and a bunch of trebbies. I think KISS will be happy with that.
 
There's no question TNT is doomed (baring a miracle or midnight treaty) &#8211; but if they can finish off a couple KISS stacks&#8230; then KISS will have to build more units to get the job done.
The more units KISS has to build = Better for MIA!
The more time it takes KISS to wipe out TNT = Better for MIA!

Therefore, if we can help TNT kill a maximum number of KISS units&#8230; it's good for us!
That's all I'm saying :)
 
Good point Azza :thumbsup:

But I do see that they will be able to achieve both ... concentarte on having enough military to finish TNT would be the priority IMO, and they could still bolster their own defences.

KISS have probably healed their Battle Island land forces by now and are ready to attack other targets because they know for a fact which and where TNT forces are situated.
 
What do we think about funneling some Cash to TNT?

Personally &#8211; I think we should try to help them hold out against KISS for as long as possible. We could attach a string to the money &#8211; like, we'll give you the cash as soon as you've got Iron hooked up again.
Problem with that is they may not survive that long! Or maybe they need the cash to get the Iron hooked up sooner?

It looks like we're about to get a whole ton of extra gold from the Dnuts&#8230; it's just my personal opinion that 200-300 gold of that would be well spent on breathing some extra life into the last throes of the TNT resistance.

Just wanted to raise the idea here for others to comment on.
(As Domestic Minister, I'm prepared to release this money to the Foreign Department &#8211; if they think it's wise to spend it on TNT)
 
I'm still not a fan of giving gold to TNT. From the rumors swirling around, their military tactics are not much better than their town builds. And have you seen all the regular units they have? Although I understand your point about wanting TNT to offer resistance, I still feel our money is better spent preparing for our war than hoping TNT can do damage with it.
 
Dead money ... time to cut our losses me thinks.

They have lost 6 trebuchets to KISS at this stage.

It is unfortunate, but I can see nothing of substance that we can give them :(
 
ok, ok, - you're all right. The money is better off in our hands.

I guess I still just feel kinda bad for TNT.
 
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