Anielewicz
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Is it just me or does anyone care that the Kennedy's got rich through boot-legging and the Clintons got rich through this strange case of being lucky in the markets...
To Suceed in America, you must cheat
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H Tower
Prince
i'd say that my family is doing pretty well, so does that mean we "cheat"?
Anielewicz
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You mean your family has great political influences?
jc011
Rider of Rohan
Nothing new...this world is a ugly place...you must lie to make a living. Well not really lie, but you can't play by the rules.
Archbob
Ancient CFC Guardian
I don't agree.
There are many well-off families who didn't cheat
However your statement does have certain sense, by example:
1. Bill Gates--He stole Apple's design which itself was stolen from Xerox
2. J.P morgan---Got super Rich but sold deficient guns to union troops during civil war
3. John D. Rockefeller---I read somewhere that he cheated or sabataged alot to get up there
But a few guys in history who made it to the top without cheating:
1. George Washington
2. Abraham Lincoln
There are many well-off families who didn't cheat
However your statement does have certain sense, by example:
1. Bill Gates--He stole Apple's design which itself was stolen from Xerox
2. J.P morgan---Got super Rich but sold deficient guns to union troops during civil war
3. John D. Rockefeller---I read somewhere that he cheated or sabataged alot to get up there
But a few guys in history who made it to the top without cheating:
1. George Washington
2. Abraham Lincoln
Rockefeller got rich from Standard Oil company, he monopolized the market and thats where the Anti-Trust law cames from. I remember it from my US History class last year 
To succeed in america, you must work.
Or get lucky and win the lottery
Whats the big deal if someone gets lots of money off of the Stock Market?
To succeed in america, you must work.
Or get lucky and win the lottery
Whats the big deal if someone gets lots of money off of the Stock Market?
Maj
Emperor
"Nice guys finish last"
This is especially true in business. If you want to make it big, you have to be ruthless.
The customer is only right if he buys something
-Maj
This is especially true in business. If you want to make it big, you have to be ruthless.
The customer is only right if he buys something
-Maj
BlueMonday
Can I Kick It?
There is one paramount rule to business: Do whatever you can to crush your opponents within the limits of the law.
I learned that one from my MGT 1010 professor.
I learned that one from my MGT 1010 professor.
If there's no inflation, people who gets lot of money off of the stock exchange takes money from somebody else without working. That's a big deal, I think.
For example in france, when a company "restructurates" itself and fires thousands of people, then the shares climb to the top and people get rich thanks to that. It makes me sick.
drake
Bring it
Define success
Tons of money and power don't = success to me.
Politics? I'd rather be a stinking lawyer.
Tons of money and power don't = success to me.
Politics? I'd rather be a stinking lawyer.
floppa21
Crusty Manhole
Tons of money and power don't = success to me.
Oh come on Drake... That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. What else is there? True Happiness? True Love?
Good luck. If you find either, you're lyin to yourself or bein lied to. Well, not ALWAYS, but most likely.
"Nice guys finish last"
This is true in EVERYTHING except maybe gettin crapped on.
Oh come on Drake... That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. What else is there? True Happiness? True Love?
Good luck. If you find either, you're lyin to yourself or bein lied to. Well, not ALWAYS, but most likely. "Nice guys finish last"
This is true in EVERYTHING except maybe gettin crapped on.
drake
Bring it
Go ahead and live the life that the media says you should live floppa. Have the priorities you have been brainwashed to have. Continue on with your celebrity infatuation
All I want is a nice place to live, a good woman and some peace and quiet. And if that requires a ton of money or power, I'll be damned.
You couldn't pay me to go on tv and parade around like a monkey in a zoo. No thanks!
All I want is a nice place to live, a good woman and some peace and quiet. And if that requires a ton of money or power, I'll be damned.
You couldn't pay me to go on tv and parade around like a monkey in a zoo. No thanks!
I am rather succesful, and more scrupulous, honest, and ethical, than almost anyone you are likely to meet. I am also astoundingly lucky. One of MY favorite repsones to prevaricators is "Truth has a great intrinsic value of its own, seperate and apart from its utility."
floppa21
Crusty Manhole
All I want is a nice place to live, a good woman and some peace and quiet.
I agree with that. Celebrity infatuation and parading around on the tv? I never said all that. As for brainwashing, maybe I am brainwashed. But I'll tell ya, I got a nice place in a nice area, some peace and quiet, I am not rich or powerful, it would be nice but it is not necessary, and as for the good woman, I found her years ago but we aren't together now. I just think it would take more than comfortable contentment to be successful.
Truth is like a lizard, it leaves it's tail in your hand as it runs off to grow a new one.
I agree with that. Celebrity infatuation and parading around on the tv? I never said all that. As for brainwashing, maybe I am brainwashed. But I'll tell ya, I got a nice place in a nice area, some peace and quiet, I am not rich or powerful, it would be nice but it is not necessary, and as for the good woman, I found her years ago but we aren't together now. I just think it would take more than comfortable contentment to be successful.
Truth is like a lizard, it leaves it's tail in your hand as it runs off to grow a new one.
drake
Bring it
My point is that success should be defined by ones self in this game of life.
Success is often determined by visibility (thats why I inserted the thing about celebrities). Because someone is on tv, they are a success? Because they have lots of money they are a success? No, I don't buy it one bit. Most of these people that society tells me are successful, I think are a bunch of losers.
Whetever though. Like I said. Whatever you want to think of as successful, you're free to do so.
Success is often determined by visibility (thats why I inserted the thing about celebrities). Because someone is on tv, they are a success? Because they have lots of money they are a success? No, I don't buy it one bit. Most of these people that society tells me are successful, I think are a bunch of losers.
Whetever though. Like I said. Whatever you want to think of as successful, you're free to do so.
Maj
Emperor
Progress.
Success.
Development.
Efficiency.
They all mean different things to different people. They're dependent of values. Efficiency to an environmentalist, efficiency can be planting a lot of trees in a short period of time. To the lumber industry, efficiency can be cutting down a lot of trees in a short period of time.
Success.
Development.
Efficiency.
They all mean different things to different people. They're dependent of values. Efficiency to an environmentalist, efficiency can be planting a lot of trees in a short period of time. To the lumber industry, efficiency can be cutting down a lot of trees in a short period of time.
ApocalypseKurtz
Man, myth, legend
I wouldn't say "to succeed in America you must cheat" but rather
"to make a fortune in America you must be as ruthless as possible"
"to make a fortune in America you must be as ruthless as possible"
"Ridding on my Harley,
with Ruth sitting behind me,
Hit a bump at 65,
and rode on ruthlessly."
allan
Cabrón
Some people may crave money or power. Some people may crave peace and quiet.
I crave liberty. I crave to live life ON MY OWN TERMS as much as possible. I don't brown-nose, I don't give undeserved flattery, I don't pay attention to "trendy" ways and "trendy" thinking, I don't go places I don't really want to go in order to "be seen"; I simply give honest value for honest pay. A person who can go through life doing that, and survive in reasonable comfort, is to me a success. Because to me, one's dignity is one's most important possession--money is simply a tool of survival and some convenience.
Not that I turn down opportunities to make more money, just as long as it doesn't entail me selling my soul.... I feel profoundly sorry, in a way, for those people who have done that. NOTHING is worth that....
I think most of your average working Americans feel similarly, and many of them will tell you that overall, they feel happy with what they have done with their lives.
I crave liberty. I crave to live life ON MY OWN TERMS as much as possible. I don't brown-nose, I don't give undeserved flattery, I don't pay attention to "trendy" ways and "trendy" thinking, I don't go places I don't really want to go in order to "be seen"; I simply give honest value for honest pay. A person who can go through life doing that, and survive in reasonable comfort, is to me a success. Because to me, one's dignity is one's most important possession--money is simply a tool of survival and some convenience.
Not that I turn down opportunities to make more money, just as long as it doesn't entail me selling my soul.... I feel profoundly sorry, in a way, for those people who have done that. NOTHING is worth that....
I think most of your average working Americans feel similarly, and many of them will tell you that overall, they feel happy with what they have done with their lives.
dreadhead7
Peacemonger
Hmmm. I consider myself fairly successful, and I got there only by hard work and perserverance. I don't think you have to cheat to be successful in America.
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