Toledo War

[Wolf Rider]

Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War

Have you ever heard of this war before now? Be honest, I didn't know about it until I came across it in Wikipedia.

Did this war actually effect history significantly? And in what ways?

 

[Tee Kay]

I've read about it in a Cracked article. Does that count?

 

[Wolf Rider]

If you'd heard of it at all, and knew even vaguely what it was, yes, it counts.

 

[Plotinus]

As it happens I read about this just a couple of days ago, after seeing a job advertised in Toledo (a place I'd never heard of at all before). So yes.

 

[bombshoo]

Being from Ohio, this is pretty ingrained into our state-psyche. Many people think it's the roots of the OSU-Michigan sports rivalry that exists now.

The effects were fairly minimal. Michigan got the UP out of it while Ohio got the Toledo strip. Though Ohio technically won, I think we have always felt cheated as the UP ended up being way nicer than Toledo.

 

[civver_764]

Did Ohio originally own the UP? Seems pretty far away.

As for the question, no I'd never heard of this. What I do want to know is if this was legal?

 

[North King]

Being a Michiganian by birth and schooling, of course I knew about this war.

Did Ohio originally own the UP? Seems pretty far away.

Of course not. The entire area was part of a single territory; Michigan only claimed Toledo and the easternmost 1/4th of the UP -- the rest of the UP belonged to no state.

What I do want to know is if this was legal?

Again, of course not.

 

[bombshoo]

Ohio didn't own the UP and had no claim to it, however they both were in the Northwest Territories which was governed from Ohio. The redoing of the boundaries within Northwest Territories after it was basically dissolved were largely the basis of the "war".

 

[Cynovolans]

I actually just watched a show a few days ago about how some states get their borders and the Toledo War was mentioned.

 

[Joecoolyo]

I've read about it in a Cracked article. Does that count?

Same here.

Though I voted "No" accidentally.

 

[Lockesdonkey]

Most of the UP had previously been part of the Michigan Territory and was actually briefly part of the Wisconsin Territory after the settlement; the easternmost bit would still have been part of Michigan for some reason. So no, the UP wasn't part of Ohio.

And yes, I, too, am a Michigander born and raised. Is that cheating?

 

[Lord Baal]

I'd never heard of this. When I saw the title I assumed it had something to do with Spain.

 

[duckduckswan]

Yep, being from Cleveland.

 

[ZeletDude]

Yeah I learned about it on the history channel about how the states got their shapes

 

[Xeer]

Oh, yes, having grown up near Toledo. As others have already said, Ohio got the disputed land in and around Toledo and Michigan got all of the Upper Peninsula.

Not too far north of the town I was actually in (Swanton) is a county road called Old State Line. Supposedly this is the line where Michigan claimed the boundary was.

There is still a wedge of water in Lake Erie that is disputed between the two states. They've asked Congress to clear up just where the line goes, but it's never happened.
Occasionally this flares up again when the Fish & Game agency in one state goes out and writes citations to fishermen who only have valid licenses from the other state.

 

[JohnRM]

Never, ever.

 

[Yeekim]

I'd never heard of this. When I saw the title I assumed it had something to do with Spain.

This.

 

[ParkCungHee]

I was dissapointed the cracked article failed to mention the attempts of conservative democrats to defend the voting rolls of New Orleans using Panamanian mercenaries...

 

[Heraclius49]

I heard that the 13 colonies fought a lot before the Revolution. Is that true?

 

[ParkCungHee]

I remember some vague possibility of violence during the Civil War.