Sharwood
Rich, doctor nephew
Flame on! Reported.
That's odd Churchill 25, I thought you didn't know what I was saying, after all, you PMed me yesterday and said:
So, I guess you aren't stupid, you just really are a liar.Churchill 25 said:
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That's odd Churchill 25, I thought you didn't know what I was saying, after all, you PMed me yesterday and said:
Agarwaen
King
Oh I like very much the Marajoara culture, and I think the most advanced Amerindians of Brazil were in the Amazon basin, there were particularly advanced ones in the high Xingu. I choose the Tupis because they are usually underestimated, they had a huge impact on the Portuguese and Spanish colonies.
Camulodunum
Mayan Blowdart Marksman
hm the marajora deserve a nice spot for now
with the soil thing they look pretty smart.
suprised ive never heard of them yet!
with the soil thing they look pretty smart.
suprised ive never heard of them yet!
Camulodunum
Mayan Blowdart Marksman
hello? will anyone post anything
im ready
im ready
Marla_Singer
United in diversity
Hey! That was unexpected to see someone defending France on CFC.
Of course France isn't the most inflluencial civilization in world history, this is silly for the simple reason that a civilization is not something monolithic. Is France really a civilization of its own, or is it a subdivision of the European civilization? If there's a European civilization, what would it be without the Byzantines, the Arabs, the Romans, the Greeks? Well, we don't go anywhere with that kind of logic... it's just good for Sid Meier's video games.
This being said, it's true that in a world dominated by the English speaking cultures, the French inflluence is generally under-estimated, or denied. France is seen as the historical competitor, and the losing side (an idea usually generating a feeling of satisfaction). That's just childish, and can be easily explained by an Oedipus complex : indeed, both England and the United States are born thanks to the French.
England's history started with William the Conqueror, a Frenchman, and during the whole Middle Age, England was ruled by a French aristocracy. As for the United States, the principles of Montesquieu and Rousseau are at the basics of the building of the American democracy, and the French military intervention has been decisive to lead the country to independence.
As such, the English speaking countries behave towards France a bit like the Romans did towards the Greeks. They know they wouldn't be what they are without French influence but are reluctant to admit it because there's a need to "kill the father", to prove they've built something which is "superior" to the French achievements.
All this to say that it's especially hard to have an objective and rational discussion about the French. Rationalism being a key principle in modern western culture and widely inspired by... René Descartes... another Frenchman.
Of course France isn't the most inflluencial civilization in world history, this is silly for the simple reason that a civilization is not something monolithic. Is France really a civilization of its own, or is it a subdivision of the European civilization? If there's a European civilization, what would it be without the Byzantines, the Arabs, the Romans, the Greeks? Well, we don't go anywhere with that kind of logic... it's just good for Sid Meier's video games.
This being said, it's true that in a world dominated by the English speaking cultures, the French inflluence is generally under-estimated, or denied. France is seen as the historical competitor, and the losing side (an idea usually generating a feeling of satisfaction). That's just childish, and can be easily explained by an Oedipus complex : indeed, both England and the United States are born thanks to the French.
England's history started with William the Conqueror, a Frenchman, and during the whole Middle Age, England was ruled by a French aristocracy. As for the United States, the principles of Montesquieu and Rousseau are at the basics of the building of the American democracy, and the French military intervention has been decisive to lead the country to independence.
As such, the English speaking countries behave towards France a bit like the Romans did towards the Greeks. They know they wouldn't be what they are without French influence but are reluctant to admit it because there's a need to "kill the father", to prove they've built something which is "superior" to the French achievements.
All this to say that it's especially hard to have an objective and rational discussion about the French. Rationalism being a key principle in modern western culture and widely inspired by... René Descartes... another Frenchman.
This comment is not wholly accurate. Perhaps 'barely reconstructed Viking with a little French in him'?
aronnax
Let your spirit be free
I like the whole idea of Frenchmen losing to an Englishmen who was originally from Frenchmen roots.
Marla_Singer
United in diversity
Normans very fastly mixed with the native people in Normandy, especially in the ruling aristocracy. During centuries, the aristocracy ruling England was French speaking... The whole Hundred Year's war started because of a simple heritage conflict inside a same family (a French speaking family).This comment is not wholly accurate. Perhaps 'barely reconstructed Viking with a little French in him'?
I think it's George Clémenceau who described England as a French colony which turned bad.
Refer to the Charles/Karl/Carlos V/I thread for the problems of linguistics and ruler national identification.Normans very fastly mixed with the native people in Normandy, especially in the ruling aristocracy. During centuries, the aristocracy ruling England was French speaking... The whole Hundred Year's war started because of a simple heritage conflict inside a same family (a French speaking family).
Huayna Capac357
Deity
I feel special.
Sharwood
Rich, doctor nephew
You'd better not do that again, it's considered trolling.
You got any French in ya, Dachs?This comment is not wholly accurate. Perhaps 'barely reconstructed Viking with a little French in him'?
I have some French ancestors, yes, though they're definitely not as prominent as the Germans, Irish, English, or Norwegians.
Ace of Gold
MAKE WAY FOR THE BAD GUY
lol calm down. Its his thread, not yours
Sharwood
Rich, doctor nephew
I'm not angry at him, I'm just telling him, if he does it and it's noticed by the mods, he'll be infracted, and the thread closed.
Eretz Yisrael
Korean Conscript
how about the Turkic peoples of Centrl Asia?
That's pretty vague. Wanna narrow it down a bit, sport?
Eretz Yisrael
Korean Conscript
Camulodunum
Mayan Blowdart Marksman
how about some reasons like i have no clue who they are
tell me and ill give them a spot on the list.
tell me and ill give them a spot on the list.
Eretz Yisrael
Korean Conscript
lets narrow it down to the Göktürk Empire
That was just a rebuke on Dachs actually; the Göktürk Empire is as vague as the term Central Asia or Turkestan.
Except it's not. They were a well-defined polity back when they had their two hundred year long khaganate. It's much more specific than the original statement, and certainly adequate.
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