Top 400 Americans control same amount of wealth as the bottom 50%.

The problem is that a lot of original capital is attained through what we'd consider 'illegitimate' means, namely the judicious use of killing. After the killing stopped, capital was spread amongst the victors and inherited through the generations, sometimes being passed between people based on their relative perceived worth. So, many generations later, people may be 'earning' the wealth they have, but the original source of that wealth never gains legitimacy.

This line of thinking leads to a paralysed regression, however. We can never say when wealth became 'deserved'. We tend to think of the modern allotment as 'fair enough' and then are happy to proceed from today, in some sort of meritocracy. It works, but it's an illusion of justice, of fairness.

I tend to find wealth derived from sheer creation to be the most deserved. Inventing a brand new product, which benefits the purchaser, and then selling it. The second type of wealth is when capital is purchased or rented from 'the people' at a fair price (for debatable values of 'fair'), and then the capital is transformed and sold to create value. If I own a plot of land that has trees, and then make & sell baseball bats, I find that I deserve my wealth. However, if I own a plot of land, and it's discovered that there's 'unobtainium' there, why would I deserve that wealth more than my city does? Or my country? It was a net generational effort to acquire, protect, and maintain that land. Even if I purchased the land 'fairly', it's clear that the value of the land was not the same as my neighbour's plot (who purchased his barren land for the same price).

New intellectual discoveries are legitimate, imo. New resource creation/transformation is also legitimate. For example I see no reason to suggest that the team that harvests an asteroid shouldn't be allowed to sell the products without interruption. But that's not the same as saying that they 'own' the whole asteroid!
 
Yes, is like a game, and the winners are those who understand the rules. The problem is that their money could influence the new rules.

I personally don't fully like it. Tesla died in poverty, and invented a lot of things we use today. What did Warren Buffet invent?.
 
Shouldn't the title of the thread be changed considering it is factually incorrect?
 
270 of the top 400 are self-made. I have no problem whatsoever with those who creatively destroy.

The destroyed have a bone to pick I'm sure.

Not that any of these people are "self-made," unless they stumbled across a windfall of gold in a creek somewhere, or were a one-man business the entire time.
 
You know I would really be interested in the specifics of these peoples work and whether they do work 100 times harder than a minimum wage worker (the ones that do try to work hard)
 
The whole point is that in a capitalist system you get the money off someone else, and there's a point where you don't need any money, you have so much you can't even spend it unless you try to set up your own country in Antarctica or something. So, no, it's not OK. And yes, there's a lot more they could be doing for society.
 
Top 1% control 16% of the wealth, and pay 30something% of Federal income taxes. Additionally less than 14% of the top 1% are bankers, many are doctors and lawyers, and a few entertainers, but most are businessmen, often people who started out as entrepreneurs.
 
Shouldn't the title of the thread be changed considering it is factually incorrect?

Really. I don't know how this factually incorrect thread title was allowed to stand this long. I wonder how long a thread titled "50% of poor people smoke crack" would be allowed to stand, offering the same kind of evidence as the OP (that is zero evidence, because the statement itself is a lie).
 
The top 400 have as much net worth as the bottom two quartiles, not that they control 50% of the "wealth."

I read the thread title and thought, "there's no way in hell that this is correct." Thanks for clearing it up. (1) Net worth, (2) Population quartiles, not wealth quartiles. :goodjob:

OP, please change your thread title as it is obviously wrong, misleading, and makes you look kind of silly.
 
The "400 richest Americans" is from Forbes magazine's annual list. Go here
HTML:
http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/
to see who they are and how they made their money and what some of them are doing with it. There are some surprises.
 
Now that the title statement is out of the way, here is the discussion: Is it morally acceptable?

The two arguments I can say for each side is:

1. Yes. It's free trade, free market. They control so much wealth because of their talent, intelligence, work, etc.

2. No. It is unfair that they have so much wealth while so many other people are suffering. This is an injustice.

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If you want my personal opinion on the matter, I would easily go with the second option. But anyone's opinions are welcome here, even if you disagree with my opinion. If you go with the first option, I'd like you to explain why.

And if you like the second option, I'd like you to propose a solution to the problem.
Not saying you aren't correct, but can you provide a source to the top 400 families in America holding 50% of the wealth?
Can we also get a definition of "family"?
 
Land is already taxed in the USA, by counties. This is how we fund schools, sheriff departments, etc...
Depends on the State. Some don't have a property tax, and where it goes in the ones that do vary by State as well. Ours is, as far as I know, exclusively for the schools.
 
We tax property, not specifically land. Taxes on houses, factories, stores, office buildings, etc., generally make up the bulk of property taxes. The land values are usually calculated separately, but then just added together with the values of improvements on the land before applying various exceptions and then calculating the tax. If I recall correctly, Pennsylvania is the only state that allows land and improvements to be taxed at different rates, and not all localities there do so.


In economic terms Land refers to all natural resources, factors of production that are merely monopolized rather than created by human labor. Taxes on pollution and mineral extraction are also forms of land value taxes.
 
400 families running the country? That's not democracy

I wouldn't have an issue with this if

1. There was no way to influence politicians with money.
2. There was good social mobility in the country

I agree. With such high inequality, the few elites at the top have waaaaaay too much power over our political system. Any of those top 400 can fund an entire national political campaign all by themselves, and the low-information voters will eat it up.
 
You know, that line of thinking has always just pissed me off. We have these things called elections where people actually go in and vote for our leaders. They are not chosen by Inver Brass, The Illuminati, Freemasons, Knights of Columbus, or the Stonecutters.
 
400 families do not control 50% of the US wealth...
 
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