Trade Discussion $1- Catching Mono...

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

...theism.

First of, my thanks to Classical_Hero (who needs a good short nickname) for taking these pictures and posting them. I would just like to state now that he and I are on a 13 hour time difference. I am GMT -5, he is GMT +8. This means, lucky for you, that the Trade Office is ALWAYS open.

First off: The Trades Themselves (in handy-dandy notebook.. er.. image format)

Bab Trade #1

Bab Trade #2

Bab Trade #3

French Trade #1

Irq Trade #1

Zulu Trade #1

These are the 6 trades that CH and I were able to discover. If you (the people) find any more, please feel free to post and discuss.
The floor is open. We want Mono. We need to catch it, even if it means Frenching Hammurabi.

Discuss!

SaaM
Minister of Trade (MoT)

 

[Ginger_Ale]

The first two links have a "=" in front of them. I'll say the first one proposed. Why?

Why would we want to give them Feud + other stuff, like in #3? We have to trade Feud to get Monotheism. Why not take the one that gives us the most? 21gpt is pretty good - around 400 gold, broken up into 20 turns. That allows us to either increase spending on Chivalry, or make some upgrades. We need Samurai if we want a quick, effective war.

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

GA- Vaild points. The only possible "issue" with this would be that it would give us a mandated 20 turns of peace with the Babs. Now this is a good thing, as it allows us a buildup time.

Now... we have no interest in the Republic? We might want it after we Manafest Destiny the continent (just a point)

BTW- I agree that 1 is the best trade. Hence the designation of 1.

Any other suggestions?

 

[TimBentley]

I think only two of these trades are worth considering. The first Babylon trade gives us our next technology and a bunch of gold. The only reason to consider the French trade is if we wanted to declare war on Babylon earlier. If I'm not mistaken, Babylon will want to renegogiate peace in 15 turns. If we made the trade, we would have to agree to keep our reputation. Of course, if we would extend the peace treaty without the trade, the French deal would not have merit. But anyways, I think Bab trade #1 is too good to pass up.

Also worth noting: CivAssist says we need 637 beakers for monotheism. Bab trade #2 would provide 501 gold more, but does not include monotheism.

 

[blackheart]

Bab deal #1 looks pretty good. I bet their little scientists are already chugging away at researching feudalism.

 

[snipelfritz]

I'm not exactly sure of this would work, but we could try to do France trade 1, and then do Bab trade 2. Not neccisarily in that order.

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

@snipel- I'm not sure. Unfortunatly, the only way to test this would be to actually test it, which is impossible with the ruleset. Needless to say, the GPT amount would be significantly reduced if we did French Trade #1

Might still be a bit, but not 47gpt.

SaaM

 

[Furiey]

I was very interested in the amount we could get from the Babs in gpt, then I saw this:

The Babs have not left our territory; 2 Bab Bowmen and a Warrior are fortified on our Horses! I know we have a peace deal with them, but how much do we trust them? They have already broken a deal with the Romans to make peace with us, If we sell them Fuedalism for large gpt and they declare war, then we have given them Pikemen with little in return. So now I'm not so sure I want to give them Fuedalism. Still not made up my mind.

 

[Rik Meleet]

I have got an alternative; we can get Monotheism from Rome for peace, without giving up our Monopoly on Feudalism.

Of course we will wait till the MA with the Iro's has ended.

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

@rik- true. I did not factor peace deals into this. And perhaps by then we will be able to extort more out of the Romans by the time the deal ends in 5(?)

 

[TimBentley]

@snipel- I'm not sure. Unfortunatly, the only way to test this would be to actually test it, which is impossible with the ruleset. Needless to say, the GPT amount would be significantly reduced if we did French Trade #1

Might still be a bit, but not 47gpt.

SaaM

Approximate values of feudalism using TechCalc:
currently: 1078g
after sale to France: 1019g

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

Approximate values of feudalism using TechCalc:
currently: 1078g
after sale to France: 1019g

Hmm...
In that case, we would only loose a few GPT to the trade. Perhaps I should consider combining those two options when we poll (tomorrow, btw) the issue.

Thoughts?

SaaM
MoT

 

[Sir Donald III]

I have got an alternative; we can get Monotheism from Rome for peace, without giving up our Monopoly on Feudalism.

Of course we will wait till the MA with the Iro's has ended.

From what I have examimed, Rome does not yet have Mono...

Anyway, I'm liking the look of the French trade. Especially with those Babs poised to pillage...

 

[Ashburnham]

I like the idea of combining the French and second Bab trade, thereby netting us the most profit.

 

[classical_hero]

I like the idea of combining the French and second Bab trade, thereby netting us the most profit.

That would be my favouyed position. The problem with dealing with the Babs is that they have troops in our land. For us to continue with our science for we will be using up 704 commerce. Deal one with Babs would get us only 439 gold (or 448 on the improved deal) and Monotheism, assuming that we have a full twenty term deal. Bab deal 2 would would get us 940 gold. The French deal will get 4 gold, Monotheism, and The Republic. Every deal includes their World Map. Here are other deals that I have found found. Here's an improvement of offer by Bab for Deal one.
Improved Bab deal #1.

Bab deal #4

Bab deal #5

Bab deal #6

Bab deal #7

Bab deal #8

All deals get this remark.

It seems that the Babs value gems over horses. I think that it would be a good idea to give the Babs a reason for them to keep this deal going. It does seem that the Babs have a GA because of all this Gold they are willing to give to us. I would say that we use this as an opportunity for us to get more gold from them and this will help us to get. I would not want to give them horses because they are too valuable for them to have them. I think this is the best deal because all that extra gold will help us to increase science and get our next tech a lot quicker. I think that we should deal with the French because this will give us 2 techs. The most important thing about this is that we must get Monotheism some how. It does seem that giving 2 civs a valuable tech is risky.

SD3. It is possible that the Babs will do that, and if they do that will be considered an act of war. If this does happen, we should try to get to the Iroqouis to give us a MA against the Babs and destroy 2 civs at one go.

My preference is for first Improved Bab deal #1 and then we deal with the French. That is my opinion.
Regards, the Trade Deputy.

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

Well... :rubs hands together: We have a chat on Sunday and we need to put this baby to a 24 hr poll. Now, I don't feel we should poll any trades that involve resources on our parts, so a majority of them are out. I will be polling Bab deals 1, 2 and 4 and French deal 1.

Look for a poll within the next 5 min or so.

SaaM
MOT

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

Poll is up! Please vote HERE

 

[Chieftess]

You know, I don't think even *I* had such a trade bonanza back when I was trade advisor! (save for the 255gpt, couple of techs Greek MPP deal in DG2). Definately not one this early.