Troubleshooting Connectivity
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If it is using the default microsoft drivers for the network card, then they way to disable the network scan is to stop the 'wireless zero configuration' service..
Problem is if you stop this service, then it wont find any wireless network when you reboot the computer.. so you have to start it again til it finds network before you can stop it again..
If you are using drivers that came with the network card then the way to stop it will differ from card to card.. but generally this problem occurs when you use the microsoft drivers.
Problem is if you stop this service, then it wont find any wireless network when you reboot the computer.. so you have to start it again til it finds network before you can stop it again..
If you are using drivers that came with the network card then the way to stop it will differ from card to card.. but generally this problem occurs when you use the microsoft drivers.
Any one got any suggestions or idea's? I am at wit's end...
Could it be it's just CIV4 multiplayer is shoddy?
Have tried with LAN and DirectIp and just direct ethernet cords. Still getting a pause every 2 or 3 turns where it just says "waiting for player ...." I am baffled at this point please help!!!
Could it be it's just CIV4 multiplayer is shoddy?
Have tried with LAN and DirectIp and just direct ethernet cords. Still getting a pause every 2 or 3 turns where it just says "waiting for player ...." I am baffled at this point please help!!!
Phyr_Negator
Anti-tolerast
There is no such word as "help" in CivIV...
hey, I think I know the perfect solution for the problem. 
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I have been using peer to peer file sharing for a while, and as far as I know the game works this way too. A connection can be established between 2peers, if at least one of them is "active" (connectable). If one of them is behind a router, or a badly set-up firewall (so he is "passive"=unconnectable), the connection can still be established. But the connection is impossible to be established if neither of them is connectable. This is the same in civ4. The main problem is this: Every single peer has to connect to every other peer in a certain game. That explains why only one "unconnectable" passive player can join a game. Once an unconnectable player has joined the game, the next unconnectable player cannot establish a connection with him, because as I said two unconnectable players cannot establish a connection. And in peer2peer networks usually 30-40% of the people are passive, so I think the same can be true to civ4.
So the solution is really simple, it should be like in warcraftIII. The peers ONLY join the host, who created the game. The host must be active. Once we have a connectable host, everybody can join him, and only him. Because he is "active" even people behind firewalls could join him. Should the host quit, the game searches for another active peer, and direct everyone to join him, and he is the new host, if it doesnt finds any the game ends. (in Warcraft in that case the official server becomes the host)
There might be more problems in with civ4 connectivity, but I think they are minor compared to this one. And it would be quite easily solved. And civ4 doesn't generate much data, so the host doesnt need a really fast connection to be able to handle all players. I think a slow 0.5Mbit DSL is enough.
Oh and I think the vote screen should have a time limit, quite much ~1minute. If there is no agreement by then, the lagging player is automatically kicked from the game.
.I have been using peer to peer file sharing for a while, and as far as I know the game works this way too. A connection can be established between 2peers, if at least one of them is "active" (connectable). If one of them is behind a router, or a badly set-up firewall (so he is "passive"=unconnectable), the connection can still be established. But the connection is impossible to be established if neither of them is connectable. This is the same in civ4. The main problem is this: Every single peer has to connect to every other peer in a certain game. That explains why only one "unconnectable" passive player can join a game. Once an unconnectable player has joined the game, the next unconnectable player cannot establish a connection with him, because as I said two unconnectable players cannot establish a connection. And in peer2peer networks usually 30-40% of the people are passive, so I think the same can be true to civ4.
So the solution is really simple, it should be like in warcraftIII. The peers ONLY join the host, who created the game. The host must be active. Once we have a connectable host, everybody can join him, and only him. Because he is "active" even people behind firewalls could join him. Should the host quit, the game searches for another active peer, and direct everyone to join him, and he is the new host, if it doesnt finds any the game ends. (in Warcraft in that case the official server becomes the host)
There might be more problems in with civ4 connectivity, but I think they are minor compared to this one. And it would be quite easily solved. And civ4 doesn't generate much data, so the host doesnt need a really fast connection to be able to handle all players. I think a slow 0.5Mbit DSL is enough.
Oh and I think the vote screen should have a time limit, quite much ~1minute. If there is no agreement by then, the lagging player is automatically kicked from the game.
I think everyone is in agreement that a peer to peer solution as adopted by Firaxis was not a good solution with the various firewall permutations around.
The Host/Client solution is a far better way - pushing the emphasis on the correct firewall setup at the Hosts door. Even the pitboss is not a host/Client solution but remained a Peer to Peer solution which on the face of it just sounds absolutely crazy - but I guess was done for economies.
At least with 1.61 it is clearer where a problem lies however getting a solution is not always that easy unfortunately.
Tals
The Host/Client solution is a far better way - pushing the emphasis on the correct firewall setup at the Hosts door. Even the pitboss is not a host/Client solution but remained a Peer to Peer solution which on the face of it just sounds absolutely crazy - but I guess was done for economies.
At least with 1.61 it is clearer where a problem lies however getting a solution is not always that easy unfortunately.
Tals
Hey, I've got some problems with MP.
First I go to multiplayer, from there I go to internet games.
It asks me to login so I do, but nothing happens. Only little thing is that background animation stops a bit.
I've got gamespy, validate account in there.
I've got Zone Alarm, in there civ4 and gamespy allowed in everything possible, just in case I even shut it down. Same I did for avast. So now I got only XPs firewalls and all those ports allowed and civ4 and gamespy.
But still not working.
What can I do to repair it?
This is really frustrating,
"The best multiplayer Civ experience ever developed.",
Yeah sure, atleast I got in lobby and to game in civ3.
First I go to multiplayer, from there I go to internet games.
It asks me to login so I do, but nothing happens. Only little thing is that background animation stops a bit.
I've got gamespy, validate account in there.
I've got Zone Alarm, in there civ4 and gamespy allowed in everything possible, just in case I even shut it down. Same I did for avast. So now I got only XPs firewalls and all those ports allowed and civ4 and gamespy.
But still not working.
What can I do to repair it?
This is really frustrating,
"The best multiplayer Civ experience ever developed.",
Yeah sure, atleast I got in lobby and to game in civ3.
knupp715
King
Jowy said:
When you press login does your computer freeze? Is there nothing you can do, you can't press go back, can't get to the desktop? Did you download the new patch?
If so the same thing I just described happened to me. When I downloaded the patch via Advanced, check for options my computer would freeze every time I went back to the check for options screen and everytime I pressed login to get into mp. I redownloaded the patch from civ4's official site and that fixed it.
knupp715 said:
Nah, it doesn't freeze. It just does nothing.
Downloaded the new patch automatically when testing things,
got pop-up when going to LAN-lobby.
Still, how can I now delete that patch?
Just wondering if redownloading it from official site (is it civ4.com, or what?) would help me.
Or did you even delete it before redownloading?
knupp715
King
My computer didn't completely freeze. The music still played and I could move the mouse but that's it.
I did reinstall the game to see if that helped but it as soon as I downloaded the patch via Check for updates again I was having the same problem. I didn't delete the patch before downloading it from the main site. I just re-downloaded the patch from the official site and it fixed everything.
I did reinstall the game to see if that helped but it as soon as I downloaded the patch via Check for updates again I was having the same problem. I didn't delete the patch before downloading it from the main site. I just re-downloaded the patch from the official site and it fixed everything.
Jowy said:
I have the same problem. i have civ 4, patch it with 1.61 by downloading it and installing it.
i have windowx xp firewall disable. I don;t have zone alarm or any other firewall.
I have a gamespy id and password.
I also try creating new account and clcik on create account and the screen stays the same after i press it. Nothing happens.
How can we get this fix? I want to play online.
knupp715
King
jbmagic said:
This is exactly the same thing that happened to me. Firewalls have nothing to do with it. Try doing what I suggested and see if that fix's it.
knupp715 said:
Well I have also that problem, and as side note it didn't freeze every time.
(like I don't have enough of problems already!).
Downloading patch now, will edit in like.. 5 minutes :I
Edit: This can take while more than 5 minutes now.
Yes, how did you guess, I'm having the glitch that game is not opening.
It looks like I have them all.. Dammit!
Edit2: Ok, it's not working. I'm doing short video about it, so you know exactly what's the problem.
Edit3: Damn I can't even record civ4.. They are doing like everything that I can't play?
Or show the bad sides of their game.
knupp715 said:
Try it didnt work that way for me.
But this way work for me.
1) I unistall the game completely
2) Install the game.
3) Loaded the game which show version 1.09
4) I login in and did my password. And finally i was able to get on gamespy.
5) Once that worked out well, I then manual install 1.61 patch from official web site. I did not use auto update in the game.
6) loaded game again and login/password and it still works
