Archer 007
Rebirth
I think he was saying that "who are we to judge who is really a Christian and who isn't?"
I agree with you that faith without actions is dead, but, by the same token, you can fake actions.
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I think he was saying that "who are we to judge who is really a Christian and who isn't?"
I agree with you that faith without actions is dead, but, by the same token, you can fake actions.
Saga of Gemini
Golden Saint Overlord
Dont think so, the bible also says that a liar is equal to a murderer.
Theres no distinction about it, the thing is regreting your actions.
Archer 007
Rebirth
That is why I said "and such". No point-scale exist for sin. I was just listing some sins that all Christians can agree on.
Saga of Gemini
Golden Saint Overlord
We are no one to judge, but rather the bible.
If you fake actions then its the same as if dont doing them ( to eye of God) remember if we are going to talk about this, only god knows the heart of ppl, so he knows if you are faking them or really doing them because u want to like him, and follow him u see.
But I agree that one can be faking the actions.
yoshi74
Tourist from Mars
Whew, i just touched into the wasp nest i think. Am i wrong? Since you didn't said so i think i'am right.
Who said so? You, although not explizit. But i read one book and looked into more than a dozen of the 'Awake' (or how it is translated, in germany its called 'Erwachet') and the other one of the pamphleths.
I also spoke with several of this kind.
So i think i know much more about jehovas people than you might know.
There are christs who betray their the partners, have sex with others then their husband/wife. Does this prove that this isn't covered in moses' ten rules. I don't think so.
So again: I read it in one of the watchtower mags, and i never will bow before such an foolish repley. I know what i saw, so it true. Deny it or not.
Saga of Gemini
Golden Saint Overlord
Yup but if I remember correctly theres is ONE (1) sin that cant be forgiven.
Archer 007
Rebirth
The Bible is not to judge. God is to judge.
Of course God doesn't accept fake actions, but my point is that you can fake actions in front of man to make them think your a "good Christian" when you could really be an alcoholic whore-hopper.
Of course God doesn't accept fake actions, but my point is that you can fake actions in front of man to make them think your a "good Christian" when you could really be an alcoholic whore-hopper.
Archer 007
Rebirth
Yes, ol' blaspamy (sp).
Archer:
Not only that. Also that saying "there is only one road" is not really helpful in defining which such road is.
Saga:
See my point? I disagree that lying equals to murder. I think the last one is far more damaging to the fabric of society. Now, I am not a Christian, but I once were, and back than, I would have said the very same thing. And I know some practicing Christians who would gladly agree with me.
Would you be entitled to judge me, and them, fakes because we disagree on biblical interpretation? Because if it demands that a man have to be fair, I can rather esily justify biblically that considering such blatantly different offenses as the same would be to disrespect God's teachings.
Not quite so clear-cut, huh?
Regards
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Not only that. Also that saying "there is only one road" is not really helpful in defining which such road is.
Saga:
See my point? I disagree that lying equals to murder. I think the last one is far more damaging to the fabric of society. Now, I am not a Christian, but I once were, and back than, I would have said the very same thing. And I know some practicing Christians who would gladly agree with me.
Would you be entitled to judge me, and them, fakes because we disagree on biblical interpretation? Because if it demands that a man have to be fair, I can rather esily justify biblically that considering such blatantly different offenses as the same would be to disrespect God's teachings.
Not quite so clear-cut, huh?
Regards
.Archer 007
Rebirth
If you clear up that question (I dont quite understand it), I will attempt to answer it.
I will say that much of JW doctrine is against the text of the Bible.
Saga of Gemini
Golden Saint Overlord
Yup u are wrong, what the teach us is, that we should be CAREFULL with what we choose to read, watch, see etc...
When it comes down to this its a matter of concience ( unless is something rather explicit as pornography).
But we are not told ( as u wanted to point..I think
) "You shouldnt read this or that, and should ONLY read Awake and the Wtachtower".I hope the point is cleared.
Yup that is true...of course its true, u think we are a bunch of perfect guys and girls? no, we make mistakes also, so that what u are pointing out its true.
Archer 007
Rebirth
Originally posted by FredLC
Archer:
Not only that. Also that saying "there is only one road" is not really helpful in defining which such road is.
Saga:
See my point? I disagree that lying equals to murder. I think the last one is far more damaging to the fabric of society. Now, I am not a Christian, but I once were, and back than , I would have said the very same thing. And I know some practicing Christians who would gladly agree with me.
Regards
I dont quite understand the point you are making toward me. Could you restate it a bit more broken-down?
About the lying and murder issue, in God's eyes, they are both just as immoral. However, its clear that murder is alot more of a problem when done.
yoshi74
Tourist from Mars
@Archer 007: This was in replay to the quoted text, where he claimed the fact that he don't followed an advice given by the watchtower press is a prove that this advice does not exits.
Saga of Gemini
Golden Saint Overlord
Please enlighten me.
Archer 007
Rebirth
Ok, so it a JW-related point. 
JW can't really be counted as "True Christians" to start with.
JW can't really be counted as "True Christians" to start with.
Archer 007
Rebirth
1) While the Jehovah's Witnesses believe there is only one true God, they deny the biblical concept of the Trinity which teaches that the Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God. One God: Isa. 43:10; 44:6-8; 45:5-6, 18, 22; 1 Cor. 8:4. Father is God: 2 Peter 1:17; Phil. 2:11. Son is God: John 1:1; John 8:58; Rom. 9:5; Phil. 2:6-9; Heb. 1:8. Holy Spirit is God: Acts 5:3-4.
2) Contrary to Watchtower theology, Jesus is not a created being or an angel, but rather is the Creator. John 1:2-3; Col. 1:16; Heb. 1:6; Rev. 22:8-9.
3) The Holy Spirit is not only God but also clearly has personality according to the Bible. John 16:13-14; Acts 8:29, 13:2.
4) A person does not gain favor with God by being a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses and going door-to-door. Rather, salvation is dependent upon one's relationship with Jesus Christ. John 3:3, 16-20; Acts 4:12; Rom. 3:24-26; 1 John 1:7-10.
5) The Bible is clear that everyone will exist eternally , either in a place known as heaven or in a place of eternal torment. Heaven: John 14:1-3; Rev. 6:9. Hell: Matt. 23:33, 25:41, 45; Rev. 20:14.
Feel enlightened?
Saga of Gemini
Golden Saint Overlord
But a christhian isnt here to satisfie men, but rather god, so if you are doing that, u are only wasting your time.
Certainly. After I made my point about how a Christian can't point fingers at others, saga replied that he thinks one can, for the bible states that there is only "one road". You said than:
I just cleared that I go even father than that and that the mentioning that only one path is correct does not help in identifying such path.
Regards
.Archer 007
Rebirth
If they are faking it, they are not truely Christian. The point is we dont know who the fakes are.
Archer 007
Rebirth
Originally posted by FredLC
I just cleared that I go even father than that and that the mentioning that only one path is correct does not help in identifying such path.
Regards
Sorta correct, IMO. Some parts of the path are clear cut, others are not so clear.
