True cristhianity

[Saga of Gemini]

Originally posted by Archer 007
DOCTRINE of Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (JW)

1)TRINITY: Joseph Rutherford made it quite clear that the Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe in the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. He stated, "The origin of the Trinity doctrine is traced back to the ancient Babylonians and Egyptians and other ancient mythologists. It will not be disputed by Jews and Christians that these ancient peoples worshiped demon gods and that God's typical nation of Israel was warned not to mingle with them because of this. It follows, then, that God was not the author of this doctrine. The obvious conclusion is, therefore, that Satan is the originator of the Trinity doctrine."

Nevertheless, sincere persons who want to know the true God and serve him find it a bit difficult to love and worship a complicated, freakish-looking, three-headed God. The clergy who inject such ideas will contradict themselves in the very next breath by stating that God made man in his own image; for certainly no one has ever seen a three-headed human creature" (Let God Be True, 2nd ed., pp. 101-102).

GOD THE FATHER: Known as Jehovah, the Watchtower considers Him to be the only true eternal God, the Almighty. They write, "There was, therefore, a time when Jehovah was all alone in universal space" (Let God Be True, p. 25). Being alone, the first creative act of Jehovah was to create his Son.

GOD THE SON: The Watchtower has consistently denied the deity of Christ. Under Knorr's leadership the Watchtower proclaimed, "Thus, for example, the Bible shows that there is only one God, the Most High, the Almighty. And that the Son, as the First-born, the Only-begotten and `the creation by God,' had a beginning" (From Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained, p. 164).

They further stated, "It proves that Michael the archangel is no other than the only-begotten Son of God, now Jesus Christ. The very name Michael means `Who is like God?' and indicates that Jehovah God is without like or equal and that Michael his archangel is his great Champion and Vindicator" (New Heavens and a New Earth, pp. 30-31).

GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT: Similar to many other cults, Jehovah's Witnesses deny the deity of the Holy Spirit. They have written, "But the holy spirit has no personal name. The reason for this is that the holy spirit is not an intelligent person. It is the impersonal, invisible active force that finds its source and reservoir in Jehovah God and that he uses to accomplish his will even at great distances, over light years of space" (Let Your Name Be Sanctified, p. 269).

MAN'S DESTINY: According to Jehovah's Witness theology, a person has one of three possible destinies. The Anointed (144,000) will be in heaven to reign with Jehovah God. The rest of the faithful Jehovah's Witnesses (not of the 144,000) will live forever on a paradise Earth. Both of these classifications are determined to a great extent on membership in the Watchtower organization as well as going door-to-door spreading the message of the Watchtower. Those people who are not members of the Watchtower organization will be destroyed by Jehovah God and cease to exist. There is no concept of eternal punishment or hell in Watchtower theology (Let God Be True, pp. 90-95, 289).
Other Doctrines

1) Since its very inception, the Watchtower has made false prophecies about the end of the world. Predicting the end in one form or another for the years 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975 and 1989 has caused its membership to maintain a steady upward trend.

2) Rejecting the medical practices of vaccinations, organ transplants and blood transfusions, the Watchtower has caused the deaths of many of its members throughout its history. Interestingly, vaccinations and organ transplants have now been acknowledged by the Watchtower as acceptable practices, contradicting their previous doctrinal position.

3) The Watchtower has maintained a long standing policy of denying its members any involvement in political causes or service in the Armed Forces.

4) Believing many customs in traditional families to be pagan in nature, the Watchtower rejects the practices of celebrating personal birthdays, Christmas, Easter, Mothers' and Fathers' day as well as most other holidays.

1) the flse trinity doctrine has been clearly explaned by me, so its pointles to bring it up again. Second, Im not a russelite, I havent used any russels texts books or whatever you would like. Another thing, the organization has changed througth the years, because of new understandings, of the profecies, and simbolisms ( acctually for many years The Watchtower used the cruse as a sign, an then later understood that it was also wrong).

I could explaine with detail, about those changes,..but since I see the trinity issue again, I wont do it, since you dont even have the respect to read what I say...so its pointless.

Also, thw watchtower dosent make prophecies.....in the Bible there are some events ( like the year 1914) that can be calculated througth Biblical cronollogy, the watchtower has never said anything about the day, of "the end". So a bunch of BS Im seeing here.

Another thing I would like to point about this post, is the fact that you are showing this "contradictions" of the "doctrine", but I ask you havent the church done the same thing? first with galileos discoveries, then they accept evolution....Im, exclusively adressing to point 2) of your list.

I dont The others.....well I dont see your point ( because I think what you are tryng to do its to show "how wrong I am" by saying what Ive said about JWs). And I dont see those as something to be taken as insult, but rather demostrates, our position, of taking the bible, over the words of men.

 

[Archer 007]

The Bible says a prophet is true only if he is 100% accurate. The JW's are not.

Why do you claim Jesus talks to himself?

 

[Smidlee]

Originally posted by Saga of Gemini
Really to the jews? funny that jews nowday dont belive in christ, so I would like to kow how someone, that do not recognize their saviour, and does what he said, will be the ones....

Also funny that the APOSTOLS were the ones to preach to gentiles, as a matter of fact Paul was called "the apostol of the nations.

The promise you are reffering to, will come througth christ so again the Q how will the "chosen" ppl, will do, when they do not recognize Jesus as the Christ. Yup, yup.

The promise made to the jews, was that througth their decendants ( Abrahams to be more accuarate) would be as many as the stars, and that the saviusr of humanity would come by his bloodline.

In case you didn't know there are christian Jews even now. there is even on the radio a program called" The Christian Jew Hour." So not all Jews are lost. 144,000 saved Jews would still be a small number saved in the tribulation. My home church even supports a Jew missionary.

Apostle Paul didn't become an Apostle until after Christ rose from the grave and the church has been started first by the Jews . so Jews may have kill Jesus but you seems to have forgotten the church was also 100% Jewish in the beginning. And many including Paul who hated Jesus and want him to be put to death later became christians themselves. Yes it true the church is now a part of the kingdom Of God but the promise of the earthly kingdom was promised to Isreal.
Many promises God made to the Jews in the old testament has not happen yet. God promised he will restore the nation Isreal and one day Jerusalem will be the captial of the world.

 

[Archer 007]

Rock on Smidlee.

 

[Margim]

I've been away a little while, but after seeing this thought I'd add my thoughts to the original post, for what little they may be worth.

Originally posted by Saga of Gemini

1. Jesus started one true Christian religion. So today there must be just one body, or group, of true worshipers of Jehovah God. (John 4:23, 24; Ephesians 4:4, 5) The Bible teaches that only a few people are on the narrow road to life.—Matthew 7:13, 14.

This doesn't actually establish a characteristic of a Christian, it merely points out they exist.

Originally posted by Saga of Gemini

2. The Bible foretold that after the death of the apostles, wrong teachings and unchristian practices would slowly come into the Christian congregation. Men would draw away believers to follow them instead of Christ. (Matthew 7:15, 21-23; Acts 20:29, 30) That is why we see so many different religions that claim to be Christian. How can we identify true Christians?

Similarly, you haven't suggested a characteristic, merely rephrased your original question - what defines a Christian?

Originally posted by Saga of Gemini

3. The most outstanding mark of true Christians is that they have real love among themselves. (John 13:34, 35) They are not taught to think that they are better than people of other races or skin color. Neither are they taught to hate people from other countries. (Acts 10:34, 35) So they do not share in wars. True Christians treat one another as brothers and sisters.—1 John 4:20, 21.

I'd disagree on your first real point here. I think the real outstanding mark of a true Christian is the love they have for other people, especially those outside their own communities. As one example...

Mat 5:43 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
Mat 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Mat 5:45 so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous.
Mat 5:46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?

The good Samaritan is another case in point.

Originally posted by Saga of Gemini

4. Another mark of true religion is that its members have a deep respect for the Bible. They accept it as the Word of God and believe what it says. (John 17:17; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17) They treat God's Word as being more important than human ideas or customs. (Matthew 15:1-3, 7-9) They try to live by the Bible in their everyday life. So they do not preach one thing and then practice another.—Titus 1:15, 16.

It depends on what you mean by try to live by the Bible. A True Christian tries to reflect the message of Christ, that is found in the Bible - love God, love your neighbour, love your enemy, care for those that no one cares about.
A true Christian does not get caught up in laws and legalism, whether it is revealed in the Bible or not. Christ taught grace and love - thus, a Christian, or Christ-One, or One who follows Christ follows ideals of grace and love over trying to adhere to written concepts of wrong and right. Its worth pointing out that God's word sometimes becomes a dangerous and improperlly used focal point for the human ideas and customs you warn against above.

Originally posted by Saga of Gemini

5. The true religion must also honor God's name. (Matthew 6:9) Jesus made God's name, Jehovah, known to others. True Christians must do the same. (John 17:6, 26; Romans 10:13, 14) Who are the people in your community that tell others about God's name?

Christian's would best honour God's name in living by the example Christ came to earth to establish himself. You honour one best by fairly representing ones values - which means not taking verses out of their original context and meaning to support a theological perspective. Matthew 6:9 refers to a prayer in a private, not public, sphere of influence. The references to John are Jesus' own words, not a command to others. It is Jesus' revelation of God, not the entire Christian communities. The Romans reference says people will not know Jesus unless others speak his name. They are not condemned as untrue for not doing so, however.

Originally posted by Saga of Gemini

7. Jesus' disciples must be no part of this wicked world. (John 17:16) They do not get involved in the world's political affairs and social controversies. They avoid the harmful conduct, practices, and attitudes that are common in the world. (James 1:27; 4:4) Can you identify a religious group in your community that has these marks of true Christianity?

Firstly, the world is not wicked. Genesis "And God saw it was good". John 3:16 "For God so loved the world", and if that aint enough, see any reference of Jesus talking about the beauty of creation.

Secondly, Jesus told the disciples to "go into the world" (Matt 28) -> to meet with people and talk with people. He encouraged his disciples to mix with people seen as unattractive, even as he mixed with them himself -> ie the tax collectors, gentiles etc -> at parties and so forth. Jesus lived life to its fullest, even as he encouraged his disciples to interact with others. Again, you take the verse out of context.

As I percieve it, you are leading us to recognise the Jehovah's Witnesses as this 'True Christian community'. I believe this is an unfair and misrepresented disqualification to other communities that have an equally, even more valid claim to Christ's heritage. I understand you may have your views - but please be aware that there are numerous other ways of interpreting passages that you seem to misunderstand the context of.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Originally posted by Ballazic
Look sage can't even spell christianity. He is not a chriastian but russelite that relies on the word of man not God.

Praise be to the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost

I trust the irony of this post's first sentence is not lost on everyone...

As to the second, nothing found in the Holy Scriptures contradicts any JW teaching.

And, uh, just so you know, the author's name is spelled Balzac...

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Originally posted by Archer 007
Are you one of them?
I rather take the almost non-existant chance of getting a disease of some sort then to bleed to death or to die by not being able to have surgery.

According to U.S.News & World Report (May 1, 1989), about 5 percent of those given blood in the United States get hepatitis—175,000 people a year. About half become chronic carriers, and at least 1 in 5 develop cirrhosis or cancer of the liver. It is estimated that 4,000 die.

1 in 20 is not non-existant. To say so is irredemably irresponsible.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Originally posted by Archer 007
The Bible says a prophet is true only if he is 100% accurate. The JW's are not.

That is likely what led to someone in the Governing Body going: 'Hey guys, maybe God wasn't kidding about that whole 'thief in the night' thing.' Not to make too fine a point of it, someone or someones realised that a belief not supported by Scripture was being put forth, and it stopped being put forth. So yeah, the JW are humans like everyone else, but unlike many, they not only admit their mistakes, they stop making them once they've admitted their error.

What is the Roman Catholic Chruch's explanation for continuing with: Its involvement in politics? In hoarding vast wealth? In hiding its pedophiles? In glorifying anyone but Jehovah? In the Trinity? In seperate laity and clergy classes? In the adoption of grandiose titles for said clergy?

Do you WANT me to go on? I have a 15,000 character limit, but I could make like 9 posts in a row to try to get most of them in...

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Originally posted by Smidlee
In case you didn't know there are christian Jews even now. there is even on the radio a program called" The Christian Jew Hour." So not all Jews are lost. 144,000 saved Jews would still be a small number saved in the tribulation. My home church even supports a Jew missionary.

Apostle Paul didn't become an Apostle until after Christ rose from the grave and the church has been started first by the Jews . so Jews may have kill Jesus but you seems to have forgotten the church was also 100% Jewish in the beginning. And many including Paul who hated Jesus and want him to be put to death later became christians themselves. Yes it true the church is now a part of the kingdom Of God but the promise of the earthly kingdom was promised to Isreal.
Many promises God made to the Jews in the old testament has not happen yet. God promised he will restore the nation Isreal and one day Jerusalem will be the captial of the world.

The Israel spoken of in Revelations RE the 144,000 is not physical Israel, that failed in the Old Covenant, but rather the new, spiritual Israel that Jesus ushered in with the formation of the New Covenant. The new, spiritual Israel can include actual Israelites, Jews, but more importantly can include anyone from any culture on earth.

The small crowd of 144,000 and the great crowd that no man could number will be drawn from all the peoples of the inhabited earth, not just the Jews. The JWs never pretended otherwise. In 1924 or 1944 or so, the Watchtower B&T society released a tract addressing this very issue, so it's not like this is something new to us.

 

[Archer 007]

Originally posted by FearlessLeader2
1 in 20 is not non-existant. To say so is irredemably irresponsible.

The article you quoted was from the 1980s. Safety has improved largely since then.

 

[Archer 007]

Originally posted by FearlessLeader2
What is the Roman Catholic Chruch's explanation for continuing with: Its involvement in politics? In hoarding vast wealth? In hiding its pedophiles? In glorifying anyone but Jehovah? In the Trinity? In seperate laity and clergy classes? In the adoption of grandiose titles for said clergy?

Do you WANT me to go on? I have a 15,000 character limit, but I could make like 9 posts in a row to try to get most of them in...

Where does the Bible say Christians should stay away from politics?
Where does it say Christians can not be wealthy?
I am not a Catholic, but how do they glorify anything other then God?
Prove the doctrine of the Trinity is wrong.
I agree about all the titles given to the clergy, but what is wrong with having clergy?

 

[Smidlee]

Originally posted by FearlessLeader2


The small crowd of 144,000 and the great crowd that no man could number will be drawn from all the peoples of the inhabited earth, not just the Jews. The JWs never pretended otherwise. In 1924 or 1944 or so, the Watchtower B&T society released a tract addressing this very issue, so it's not like this is something new to us.

You may put your faith in some JW tract but anyone who reads these verses clearly can see these are Jews. It even gives the 12 tribes name so noone can be in doubt. I put my faith in the bible than some tract that says just the oppside . I got a JW tract here with me that quotes from Ecclesiates totally out of context . I guess they don't expect anyone to go back and check the context which these verses for themselves.
Also in Revelation chapter 1-3 the church is mention 19 times yet between ( the things that will be) chapter 4- 21 the church isn't mention not once . Why? because the tribulation has nothing to do with the church age or church since another name for tribulation is "Jacob's trouble" also it's the seventy week of Daniel.( the church/Grace age is sandwiched between the 69th and 70th week.) All seventy weeks of years in Daniel has to do with Isreal. the only time the church is mention in Revelation after chapter 4 is in 22:16 which Jesus addresses back to the present time.
The book of Revelation has it's own warning for add or subtracting something to this book in Rev. 22:18-19. JW has paid no attention at this warning and change this book to their own wishes.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Originally posted by Archer 007
Where does the Bible say Christians should stay away from politics?

(John 15:19) If YOU were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because YOU are no part of the world, but I have chosen YOU out of the world, on this account the world hates YOU.
OR
(John 18:36,37) Jesus answered: "My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source."

Originally posted by Archer 007
Where does it say Christians can not be wealthy?

It doesn't say they can't be, but it does warn against the dangers of materialism:

Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God

Matthew 6:19 Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Luke 12:32 Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Originally posted by Archer 007
I am not a Catholic, but how do they glorify anything other then God?

Well, they practice idolatry with their crosses and images of Jesus, they have hundreds of demi-gods (saints), they revere Mary, and they supported the notion of the divine right of kings to rule.

Originally posted by Archer 007
Prove the doctrine of the Trinity is wrong.

See for yourself

Originally posted by Archer 007
I agree about all the titles given to the clergy, but what is wrong with having clergy?

To show that none of his followers should elevate themselves above fellow believers, Jesus said: "You, do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your teacher, whereas all you are brothers. Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One. Neither be called 'leaders,' for your Leader is one, the Christ. But the greatest one among you must be your minister. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled." (Matthew 23:8-12) In God's eyes, all of Jesus' true disciples are equal in the faith.

Did the early Christians view themselves as equal? Those who got the sense of Jesus' teaching did. They viewed one another as equal in the faith and showed this by addressing one another as "brother." (Philemon 1, 7, 20) Nobody was encouraged to view himself as being better than others. Consider, for example, the humble way in which Peter described himself in his second letter: "Simon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith, held in equal privilege with ours." (2 Peter 1:1) Peter had personally been instructed by Jesus, and as an apostle, he held an important position of responsibility. Yet, he considered himself to be a slave and recognized that other Christians held the faith in equal privilege with him.

Some may say that the ideal of equality is contradicted by the fact that in pre-Christian times God made Israel his special nation. (Exodus 19:5, 6) They may claim that this is an example of racial superiority, but that is not so. It is true that the Israelites, as descendants of Abraham, enjoyed a special relationship with God and were used as the channel for divine revelations. (Romans 3:1, 2) But the purpose of this was not to put them on a pedestal. Rather, it was in order that 'all nations would be blessed.'—Genesis 22:18; Galatians 3:8.

It turned out that most Israelites did not imitate the faith of their forefather Abraham. They were unfaithful and rejected Jesus as the Messiah. Because of that, God rejected them. (Matthew 21:43) However, the meek among mankind did not lose out on the promised blessings. At Pentecost 33 C.E., the Christian congregation was born. This organization of Christians who were anointed by holy spirit was called "the Israel of God," and it proved to be the channel through which those blessings would come.—Galatians 6:16.

Some members of that congregation needed educating in the matter of equality. For example, the disciple James counseled those who were treating wealthy Christians with more honor than poorer ones. (James 2:1-4) That was wrong. The apostle Paul showed that Gentile Christians were in no way inferior to Jewish Christians, and female Christians were in no way inferior to males. He wrote: "You are all, in fact, sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one person in union with Christ Jesus."—Galatians 3:26-28.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Originally posted by Smidlee
You may put your faith in some JW tract but anyone who reads these verses clearly can see these are Jews. It even gives the 12 tribes name so noone can be in doubt. I put my faith in the bible than some tract that says just the oppside . I got a JW tract here with me that quotes from Ecclesiates totally out of context . I guess they don't expect anyone to go back and check the context which these verses for themselves.
Also in Revelation chapter 1-3 the church is mention 19 times yet between ( the things that will be) chapter 4- 21 the church isn't mention not once . Why? because the tribulation has nothing to do with the church age or church since another name for tribulation is "Jacob's trouble" also it's the seventy week of Daniel.( the church/Grace age is sandwiched between the 69th and 70th week.) All seventy weeks of years in Daniel has to do with Isreal. the only time the church is mention in Revelation after chapter 4 is in 22:16 which Jesus addresses back to the present time.
The book of Revelation has it's own warning for add or subtracting something to this book in Rev. 22:18-19. JW has paid no attention at this warning and change this book to their own wishes.

Gal. 6:15-16: "For what counts is neither circumcision nor uncircumcision, it is the new creation. On all who will be guided by this rule, may peace and mercy rest, even upon the Israel of God."

Israel of God = Spiritual Israel, those who are "guided by this rule". Christians are spiritual Israelites. It is from this Israel of God, that the little and great flocks shall be numbered.

 

[Archer 007]

Originally posted by FearlessLeader2
(John 15:19) If YOU were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because YOU are no part of the world, but I have chosen YOU out of the world, on this account the world hates YOU.
OR
(John 18:36,37) Jesus answered: "My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source."

It doesn't say they can't be, but it does warn against the dangers of materialism:

Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God

Matthew 6:19 Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Luke 12:32 Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.


Well, they practice idolatry with their crosses and images of Jesus, they have hundreds of demi-gods (saints), they revere Mary, and they supported the notion of the divine right of kings to rule.

See for yourself

Render unto God what is God's and render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser would imply involvement in community life, IMO. God doesnt want man to live in communities ruled by corrupt people, and you have still failed to prove otherwise.

I am with you about the danger of materalism, but that doesn't mean you can't be wealthy. You just have to remember that God's will is the source of your wealth.

Most of your points about Catholicism show very little knowledge of actual Catholic practices. I use to think similarly about Catholicism until I asked some very probing questions to Catholics I know.

The doctrine of the Trinity is supported all threw the scripture, so I see it as silly to refute it.

 

[Archer 007]

Pull out your flipflops JW members:

"Generation of 1914" timeline

1889 — Charles Taze Russell, the founder of the Watchtower Society, teaches that Armageddon would occur in 1914

1950 — The Watchtower teaches that Christ returned to earth invisibly in 1914.

1950 — The Watchtower emphasizes that the thirty-six years between 1914 and 1950 have drawn the world closer to Armageddon occurring before the generation alive in 1914 pass away.

1961 — The Society states, "The foretold events having begun A.D. 1914, the generation of mankind that is still alive from that year is the generation meant by Christ."

1967 — The Society changes the meaning of "generation" to include only those individuals who were alive in 1914 and able to view the events with understanding.

1968 — The Society specifies that the age of understanding is 15 or older, meaning that Armageddon will occur before all those who were 15 or older in 1914 have passed away.

1984 — The Society extends the "generation of 1914" to include all individuals who were babies during that year.

1988 — The Society states that a biblical generation consists of 75 years. Thus, 75 years from 1914 comes to 1989, marking the potential end of that generation.

1988 — Later in 1988, the Society revises its definition of generation, referring to a range of 70–80 years. Thus, the "generation of 1914" could be extended until 1994.

1995 — The Society redefines the term "generation of 1914" to refer to anyone who is alive at any time who can understand the spiritual significance of the date. The "generation of 1914" can thus be extended indefinitely into the future.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Originally posted by Archer 007
Render unto God what is God's and render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser would imply involvement in community life, IMO. God doesnt want man to live in communities ruled by corrupt people, and you have still failed to prove otherwise.

Communities don't need politics or politicians, all they need is neighbors that love each other.

Originally posted by Archer 007
I am with you about the danger of materalism, but that doesn't mean you can't be wealthy. You just have to remember that God's will is the source of your wealth.

Actually it's usually just hard work. Sometimes being born in the right family will do it. God does not involve Himself in the affairs of Satan's world, other than to the extent of sending Jesus to lay it to waste and then rebuild it after Armageddon. EDIT: Oh, oh yeah. He will also send His Holy Spirit to give strength to those that ask for it to help them endure Satan's system of things.

Originally posted by Archer 007
Most of your points about Catholicism show very little knowledge of actual Catholic practices. I use to think similarly about Catholicism until I asked some very probing questions to Catholics I know.

History begs to differ.

Originally posted by Archer 007
The doctrine of the Trinity is supported all threw the scripture, so I see it as silly to refute it.

If that's your only answer to reams of text refuting the Trinity doctrine, then let's just agree to disagree...you're obviously not going to be swayed by anything I have to say on the matter.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Originally posted by Archer 007
Pull out your flipflops JW members:

I reply with a quote from your own signature:

"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do sir ?"- John Maynard Keynes

The Society researches the Bible, and new insights change beliefs to bring them more fully into accord with Scriptural teachings. I have tried, but I fail to see how this is a bad thing...

 

[Archer 007]

Originally posted by FearlessLeader2
Communities don't need politics or politicians, all they need is neighbors that love each other.

Actually it's usually just hard work. Sometimes being born in the right family will do it. God does not involve Himself in the affairs of Satan's world, other than to the extent of sending Jesus to lay it to waste and then rebuild it after Armageddon. EDIT: Oh, oh yeah. He will also send His Holy Spirit to give strength to those that ask for it to help them endure Satan's system of things.

History begs to differ.

If that's your only answer to reams of text refuting the Trinity doctrine, then let's just agree to disagree...you're obviously not going to be swayed by anything I have to say on the matter.

Communities need leader, and leaders mean politics will take place.

God is very active in the world. If not, we would be in total chaos. Why would he take the time to point out that he controls all of the world's gold and silver.

Modern Catholicism is very different from Catholicism around 1800.

Show some evidence that shows the Trinity as wrong and I will address it.

 

[Archer 007]

Originally posted by FearlessLeader2
The Society researches the Bible, and new insights change beliefs to bring them more fully into accord with Scriptural teachings. I have tried, but I fail to see how this is a bad thing...

Because it proves they have no idea what they are talking about. Where did the idea of the Generation of 1914 come from? Clearly not from scripture.