True cristhianity

Originally posted by FearlessLeader2
Nice try, but Saga's not interpreting anything, he's quoting, without modification, and applying that to the subject. There is no 'interpretation', just what is written.

Fearless, I'd like to know more of the Christian denominations as to enrich my point with examples, but simply put, the mere fact that there are dozens of denominations that do interpret the bible differently is a factual and incontestable proof of the rightness of my assertion.

Or, if I may ask, do you feel confortable to say that every one who disagree from the JW idea of what the bible means is a false christian?

Regards :).
 
Originally posted by FredLC

Or, if I may ask, do you feel confortable to say that every one who disagree from the JW idea of what the bible means is a false christian?

Regards :).

The bible isnt in agreement nwith the modern point of view, that there are many accpetable ways to adore god. Ef 4:5 says " there is one Lord, one faith". Jesus declared: "Small is the door and narrow the path that leads to live, and few are the ones who find it. [...] not everyone that calls me: "Lord,LOrd will enter in the heavens kingdome, but the one that does the will of my Father who is in the heavens" ( Mat 7:13,14,21; look also 1° of Corinthius 1:10)

In several ocations the Writinggs reffer to the teachings body of true christhians as "the truth", and about christhianity it says that it is "the path to the true". ( 1 Timothy. 3:15; 2° of Jon 1; 2° of Peter. 2:2). Because JWs base their believes, their norms of conduct and their procedure of organizations in the Bible, the faith that JWs have in the bible itself as the word of God gives them the conviction that what they posses certanly its the truth. Thats why that posture or position isnt selfish, as it shows the confidence they have that the bibles is the correct nrom with wich one should meassure the religion one practices. They arent egocentric, but they are willing to sahre with other ppl their believs.

But dont other eligions follow the bible also? you may ask that.

Many use it to certain degree. But do they really teach and practice what it contains?. Consider this: 1) From many of their traductions of the Bible have removed, thousends of times, the name of God. 2) The doctrine of trinity, the concept of God himself has been taken from pagan sources and was developed to its curreent form centuries after the Bible was finished.3)Their believe of the soul inmortality as the base to a life that continues doesnt proceed from the bible; it has its roots in ancient Babylon.4) The theme of Jesus preaching was the Kingdome of God and he send his disciples to talk personally to the ppl, about the kingdome; but rarely todays church mention that kingdome and their memebers arent doing the work preaching "this good newa of the Kingdome" ( Mat. 24:14).5) Jesus said that you could recognize easily his true followers for their abnegated love to one and other. Is that what you observe amongst the "Chrithians" religions when nations go to war? 6) The bible says that the disciples of Christh wouldent be part of this world and warns that any that wants to be friend with the world becomes enemy of God; but the "christhian" churches and theire members are deeply in the political issues of the nations ( Sant.4:4)
In the ligth of this, can you honestly say that they trully stick to the bible?.

Another key factor I would like to mention is that JW really believe that the bible is the word of God and that whats written in it is for our instruction. ( 2 Timothy 3:16,17;Rom 15:4; 1° of Cor. 10:11) So they do not seek or look for philosofical arguments to evade clear declarations of the truth nor tu justifie the way of living of ppl who have abbdoned the biblical moral rules.

By pointing the simbolic language of the Bible thay let the Bible provides its own explanation, rather than presenting they own theories abput the meaning ( 1° of Cor 2:13). In general in other parts of the BIbleyou acn find explanations about the meaning of the simbolic terms ( for example see Rev 21:1; then with relation of the meaning of "sea", please read Isa:57:20. To identify the "lamb" that is mentioned in Rev 14:1, see Jon 1:29 and 1° of Peter 1:19).

Well continue tomorrow, this is not the end of the answer, since it acnt be answered by a simple "Yes" or "No" because u would either linch me, or I dont know what else.

So hold up your insults and bashing please.
 
Originally posted by Saga of Gemini

Because JWs base their believes, their norms of conduct and their procedure of organizations in the Bible, the faith that JWs have in the bible itself as the word of God gives them the conviction that what they posses certanly its the truth.

How can you say you believe in the Bible when you deny large parts of it?
 
DOCTRINE of Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (JW)

TRINITY: Joseph Rutherford made it quite clear that the Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe in the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. He stated, "The origin of the Trinity doctrine is traced back to the ancient Babylonians and Egyptians and other ancient mythologists. It will not be disputed by Jews and Christians that these ancient peoples worshiped demon gods and that God's typical nation of Israel was warned not to mingle with them because of this. It follows, then, that God was not the author of this doctrine. The obvious conclusion is, therefore, that Satan is the originator of the Trinity doctrine."

Nevertheless, sincere persons who want to know the true God and serve him find it a bit difficult to love and worship a complicated, freakish-looking, three-headed God. The clergy who inject such ideas will contradict themselves in the very next breath by stating that God made man in his own image; for certainly no one has ever seen a three-headed human creature" (Let God Be True, 2nd ed., pp. 101-102).

GOD THE FATHER: Known as Jehovah, the Watchtower considers Him to be the only true eternal God, the Almighty. They write, "There was, therefore, a time when Jehovah was all alone in universal space" (Let God Be True, p. 25). Being alone, the first creative act of Jehovah was to create his Son.

GOD THE SON: The Watchtower has consistently denied the deity of Christ. Under Knorr's leadership the Watchtower proclaimed, "Thus, for example, the Bible shows that there is only one God, the Most High, the Almighty. And that the Son, as the First-born, the Only-begotten and `the creation by God,' had a beginning" (From Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained, p. 164).

They further stated, "It proves that Michael the archangel is no other than the only-begotten Son of God, now Jesus Christ. The very name Michael means `Who is like God?' and indicates that Jehovah God is without like or equal and that Michael his archangel is his great Champion and Vindicator" (New Heavens and a New Earth, pp. 30-31).

GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT: Similar to many other cults, Jehovah's Witnesses deny the deity of the Holy Spirit. They have written, "But the holy spirit has no personal name. The reason for this is that the holy spirit is not an intelligent person. It is the impersonal, invisible active force that finds its source and reservoir in Jehovah God and that he uses to accomplish his will even at great distances, over light years of space" (Let Your Name Be Sanctified, p. 269).

MAN'S DESTINY: According to Jehovah's Witness theology, a person has one of three possible destinies. The Anointed (144,000) will be in heaven to reign with Jehovah God. The rest of the faithful Jehovah's Witnesses (not of the 144,000) will live forever on a paradise Earth. Both of these classifications are determined to a great extent on membership in the Watchtower organization as well as going door-to-door spreading the message of the Watchtower. Those people who are not members of the Watchtower organization will be destroyed by Jehovah God and cease to exist. There is no concept of eternal punishment or hell in Watchtower theology (Let God Be True, pp. 90-95, 289).
Other Doctrines

1) Since its very inception, the Watchtower has made false prophecies about the end of the world. Predicting the end in one form or another for the years 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975 and 1989 has caused its membership to maintain a steady upward trend.

2) Rejecting the medical practices of vaccinations, organ transplants and blood transfusions, the Watchtower has caused the deaths of many of its members throughout its history. Interestingly, vaccinations and organ transplants have now been acknowledged by the Watchtower as acceptable practices, contradicting their previous doctrinal position.

3) The Watchtower has maintained a long standing policy of denying its members any involvement in political causes or service in the Armed Forces.

4) Believing many customs in traditional families to be pagan in nature, the Watchtower rejects the practices of celebrating personal birthdays, Christmas, Easter, Mothers' and Fathers' day as well as most other holidays.
 
Originally posted by Saga of Gemini
Well continue tomorrow, this is not the end of the answer, since it acnt be answered by a simple "Yes" or "No" because u would either linch me, or I dont know what else.

So hold up your insults and bashing please.

Well, I'll wait for the end of the reply before I say what i think from all of this.

In the mean time, me, linch you? Insulting and bashing? Please point a single post in which i havent been entirely civil and polite. Come on, just one.

I truly find it amazing when people starts playing victims... :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Archer 007
DOCTRINE of Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (JW)

*SNIP*
Aaaannd?

Read up on Blood

I particularly like Dr. Knud Lund-Olesen's comment... :goodjob:
 
Well if Blood transfusions were so risky and dangerous, then how come they are still in use today and have saved so many lives?

I know there are diseases that can be transmitted through blood and i know that opposing blood types can react badly but the people who carry them out are generally very highly trained in the procedure.

These people have been doing this for years and have saved many lives, and they aren't going to stop until they find an alternative to the procedure.
 
Guys this forumonly repersents a small fringe of the christian faith. Almost every other christian would disagree with Russelite teaching. His comments in no way repersent us.
 
Look sage can't even spell christianity. He is not a chriastian but russelite that relies on the word of man not God.

Praise be to the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost
 
Originally posted by Archer 007


MAN'S DESTINY: According to Jehovah's Witness theology, a person has one of three possible destinies. The Anointed (144,000) will be in heaven to reign with Jehovah God. The rest of the faithful Jehovah's Witnesses (not of the 144,000) will live forever on a paradise Earth.

It seems to me that JW takes verses out of context in the Bible that clearly to the nation Isreal and Jews . this 144,000 is a good example how they seem to kick the Jews out of the Bible and insert themselves in their place. In Revelation 7:4-8 there is can be no doubt that the 144,000 are JEWS and even split the 144,000 into the 12 tribes of Isreal with 12,000 in each tribe. These Jews will be God's witnesses in the tribulation. ( these will be the TRUE Jehovah's witnesses). These Jews will have a seal of their God in their foreheads which they are mention again in Chapter 14 while it seems these 144,000 gives their lives for being God's witnesses.
Also the Kingdom Of God which be on this Earth was promise to the Jews/Isreal while the church is called the bride of Christ. When Jesus was on this earth he told them not reveal he was the Christ but preach the Kingdom of God to the Jews. Notice Jesus didn't send his disciples out to preach to the Gentiles because he offering the Kingdom to the JEWS only but the Jews refuse the Kingdom by rejecting their King. After Jews rejected their Messiah then the Church was born to go out into the world preaching to both Gentiles and Jews the gospel.
God isn't done with the Jews yet . I believe He will keep every single promise he made to these people and establish an earthly Kingdom where Isreal will serves as a nation of priests to whole world.
 
Originally posted by FredLC
Well, I'll wait for the end of the reply before I say what i think from all of this.

In the mean time, me, linch you? Insulting and bashing? Please point a single post in which i havent been entirely civil and polite. Come on, just one.

I truly find it amazing when people starts playing victims... :rolleyes:

Im didnt try to victimze myself, and I made that coment as a joke, due to all the controversy it will bring.

I never took you for an insulter or anything like that.

So in conclution it was a j/k...more like a funny coment. dont take it personal.
 
Originally posted by SolarKnight
Well if Blood transfusions were so risky and dangerous, then how come they are still in use today and have saved so many lives?

I know there are diseases that can be transmitted through blood and i know that opposing blood types can react badly but the people who carry them out are generally very highly trained in the procedure.

These people have been doing this for years and have saved many lives, and they aren't going to stop until they find an alternative to the procedure.

There are a lot of other procedierus, like the machine "cell saver", and the use, of this particle from blood...that makes it possible to the medula to producce it d¿faster, I dont really have all of them rigth now..... But there are alternatives, and more and more doctors preffer those techniques than blood transfusion.
 
Originally posted by Ballazic
Guys this forumonly repersents a small fringe of the christian faith. Almost every other christian would disagree with Russelite teaching. His comments in no way repersent us.

Hahahahaha, funny me a Russelite.... a JW a russelite, thats funny.

Your are basing your premise on thin air, since..can you point me where did I metioned Russel as a "chosen" or a prophet, or a especila someone, like FL2 well said, Im not intepretting nor, using human doctrines,traditions or believes, Ive used the bible, Ive qouted the Bible, not some panflet you could call propaganda..

Im gald that u think HIS ( BTW can you point any?) coments do not represent you, since...................I HAVENT USED ANY.
 
Originally posted by Smidlee
It seems to me that JW takes verses out of context in the Bible that clearly to the nation Isreal and Jews . this 144,000 is a good example how they seem to kick the Jews out of the Bible and insert themselves in their place. In Revelation 7:4-8 there is can be no doubt that the 144,000 are JEWS and even split the 144,000 into the 12 tribes of Isreal with 12,000 in each tribe. These Jews will be God's witnesses in the tribulation. ( these will be the TRUE Jehovah's witnesses). These Jews will have a seal of their God in their foreheads which they are mention again in Chapter 14 while it seems these 144,000 gives their lives for being God's witnesses.
Also the Kingdom Of God which be on this Earth was promise to the Jews/Isreal while the church is called the bride of Christ. When Jesus was on this earth he told them not reveal he was the Christ but preach the Kingdom of God to the Jews. Notice Jesus didn't send his disciples out to preach to the Gentiles because he offering the Kingdom to the JEWS only but the Jews refuse the Kingdom by rejecting their King. After Jews rejected their Messiah then the Church was born to go out into the world preaching to both Gentiles and Jews the gospel.
God isn't done with the Jews yet . I believe He will keep every single promise he maded to these people and establish an earthly Kingdom where Isreal will serves as a nation of priests to whole world.

Really to the jews? funny that jews nowday dont belive in christ, so I would like to kow how someone, that do not recognize their saviour, and does what he said, will be the ones....

Also funny that the APOSTOLS were the ones to preach to gentiles, as a matter of fact Paul was called "the apostol of the nations.

The promise you are reffering to, will come througth christ so again the Q how will the "chosen" ppl, will do, when they do not recognize Jesus as the Christ. Yup, yup.

The promise made to the jews, was that througth their decendants ( Abrahams to be more accuarate) would be as many as the stars, and that the saviusr of humanity would come by his bloodline.

jehova intended, that christianity, would spread to the world, ( like Ive pointed in "my" list) its a biblical mandate to tell "the good news of the kingdom" to "each corner of the world", so unless "gods plan" according to you was that the jews, WOULD BE THE WHOLE WORLD, I dont understand why the bible says that. Other thing, is that the jews killed christ, and they autocursed themself by saying that his blood should come to them and all the generations behind him.

So to sum it up, Gods Kingdome inst intende ONLY to the jews, because then there would be no point in being christhian, and there would be no point for jesus to come down to institute, a new pact, and abolish Moses pact.

See?......
 
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