[RD] Trumpcare

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Premiums up over 18%.
Government costs up $33 billion.
6.4 millions fewer Americans covered; 2.5 million without minimum essential coverage.
Heck of a job, Trumpie.

Those fiscal geniuses in the White House and Republican-controlled Congress have managed to do the impossible: Their sabotage of the Affordable Care Act will lead to 6.4 million fewer Americans with health insurance, while the federal bill for coverage rises by some $33 billion per year.

Also, by the way, premiums in the individual market will rise by an average of more than 18%.

These figures come from the Urban Institute, which on Monday released the first estimate of the impact of two GOP initiatives. The first is the elimination of the individual mandate, which is an offshoot of the GOP tax-cut measure signed by President Trump in December. The measure reduced the penalty for not carrying insurance to zero as of next Jan. 1.

Those affected by these large premium increases would be disproportionately middle-income people with health problems.

The second is Trump's plan to expand short-term insurance plans, which don't comply with many of the ACA's essential benefits requirements and allow insurers to reject or surcharge people with preexisting medical conditions or histories.

The Urban Institute broke down the impact of Trump and Republican policies thusly:

-- Eliminating the individual mandate, combined with such lesser acts of vandalism as eliminating cost-sharing reduction payments to insurers last year and eviscerating the outreach and advertising budget for the 2017 ACA open enrollment period: 6.4 million more people uninsured than under previous law, as the uninsurance rate climbs to 12.5% of the nonelderly population from 10.2%.

-- Expansion of short-term non-compliant policies: 2.5 million more Americans without minimum essential coverage. Short-term policies, which were limited under the Obama administration to three months maximum and no renewals, would be expanded under Trump to last up to a year. Under the law, short-term policies don't count as real Obamacare insurance.

-- Premiums in the individual market: Higher by 18.2% in 2019 in "full-impact states" (41, plus the District of Columbia, which allow short-term policies under some circumstances.) Eight other states prohibit or limit the expansion of short-term policies, so their premium increases will be lower on average. Nationwide, premiums will rise by 16.4%. In Texas, North Dakota, Alabama, Nebraska and Arizona, the increases will exceed 20%.

-- Because government premium subsidies rise in tandem with premium increases, the cost of subsidies borne by the government will rise by $33.3 billion next year, or 9.3% — to $391.4 billion from $358.1 billion under existing law.

The mechanism by which the GOP policies will crater the individual insurance market isn't hard to understand. Both major initiatives — eliminating the individual mandate and offering bare-bones policies — siphon younger, healthier consumers out of the individual market.

David Anderson, a health insurance expert at Duke University, understands why short-term policies will look like a good deal to young consumers feeling hale and hearty. Others, such as with preexisting conditions, won't even be eligible to buy those plans, guaranteeing that higher-risk patients stay in the ACA pool. Anderson posits a 23-year-old earning $35,000. That consumer would think a full-scale Obamacare plan is a good deal only if he or she has "a significant medical history or reasonable probability of pregnancy."

The economically rational response for the healthy in that segment would be to pay $100 or less a month in premiums and barely use any services over the course of the year. The danger, of course, is that anyone can get hit by a bus or find themselves holding an unexpected cancer diagnoses. Then they're screwed.

"Those affected by these large premium increases would be disproportionately middle-income people with health problems," the Urban Institute researchers said. That's because "they prefer health insurance that covers essential health benefits, are unlikely to have access to medically underwritten short-term limited-duration policies, and are not financially protected by the ACA's premium tax credits."

Millions of others, including the U.S. taxpayer and families who need treatment and have incomes too high to be subsidized, is also screwed. That includes families with household incomes approaching or exceeding 400% of the federal poverty line: $48,560 for an individual and $100,400 for a family of four.

The damage estimate can't be restricted to the immediate impact on individuals and families, the researchers observed. "As healthier enrollees exit for short-term plans, insurers will by necessity reexamine the profitability of remaining in the compliant markets. This may well lead to more insurer exits from the compliant markets in the next years, reducing choice for the people remaining and ultimately making the markets difficult to maintain."

In other words, the Republican sabotage will continue to undermine health coverage in the U.S. The only alternative, it becomes clearer with every day, is some form of single-payer, Medicare-for-all coverage. That's increasingly becoming part of Democratic Party orthodoxy, and it's about time.

Moral of the story: Drinking snake oil is bad for you. :faint:
 
But the insurance companies are making record profits so therefore Trumpcare is a smashing success!
 
Huh? The ACA is still in force, less the mandate. Trumpcare is Obamacare with an escape clause.

But the insurance companies are making record profits so therefore Trumpcare is a smashing success!
That's ACA for you. It would be more, except some off book payments were terminated.

J
 
Huh? The ACA is still in force, less the mandate.McPolicies. Trumpcare is Obamacare with an escape clause.

And the resurrection of McPolicies, which collect premiums but provide no real protection. This again will pile Americans into emergency rooms for the most expensive care, which the sick & injured cannot pay for, sticking us taxpayers with the bill.
 
The Bill Clinton method of handling this kind of thing:
 
Huh? The ACA is still in force, less the mandate. Trumpcare is Obamacare with an escape clause.

Clearly this is Obamacare because Trumpcare promised coverage for everyone, it would make premiums go down and it would be so easy /s
Welp its that time again, Jay when Republicans get bent over and get it good and hard
 
I will say again (and again), healthcare is one of the greatest opportunities for (real) wealth creation in the world. If you're not donating to a research foundation, and canvassing, you're making a long-term error. The entire arrangement changes its calculus as soon as healthcare transitions from a diminishing-returns to an increasing-returns technology. Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, colon cancer, doesn't matter. They're all chipping away at the same problem. Honestly, if I am ever talking to someone in the lower-middleclass or higher, I can judge their knowledge of economics and health policy (and priorities) based on their donation strategy.

Imagine what happens when this trendline flips. We're talking an exponential (real) wealth explosion. Again.

And, Americans, this guy is your hero.




He unmasked a broken part of the system. A seriously, seriously(!) broken part of the system. He's the guy who noticed that the all-you-can-eat-buffet didn't have a rule against bringing tupperware. He's the guy who learned to pay a homeless person to sit in his car in a drop-off location just outside his building. He's the guy who taught his nephew how the castling rule worked fifteen moves into the chess game.

Y'all recognize him. He's reviled. But his contribution is ginormous. Bigger than nearly anyone's in the modern era, except maybe Bill Gates himself. *Okay, that's hyperbole. I can think of quite a few towering giants who've done more (personally) because they have their eye on the ball. But maybe not so accidentally.
 
El_Mac you need to elaborate. I know who that guy is, I think I know what broken system you're referencing but can you spell it out for those of us less informed?

Also what do you mean health care investment is chance for wealth creation? Are you saying that if we lower the amount of sick people then spending on medicare goes down and can be used for other stuff?
 
El_Mac you need to elaborate. I know who that guy is, I think I know what broken system you're referencing but can you spell it out for those of us less informed?

Also what do you mean health care investment is chance for wealth creation? Are you saying that if we lower the amount of sick people then spending on medicare goes down and can be used for other stuff?

1) He called attention to the problems of medicine-as-intellectual property and the severe lack of cost controls on essential, life-saving medicine. Purchasing a lapsed patent of a medicine for which there is no generic and hiking the price nearly 70-fold caused popular disgust, but the disgust was, El_Mac's trying to say, not so much "look at this [intensifying particle] [feces]weasel" as it is "all this [generalizing pronoun] is perfectly legal and within his rights. That's super not ok. Someone should do something about that".

2) Healthy people are productive people. Healthier people are more productive people.
 
That guy is Trumps Dream Candidate for Secretary of Health.
 
I think a lot of people don't even know why he's going to jail and assume it's for the price hikes.

What's weird to me is why there was no generic for that drug. I guess there was no market cus the price was too low?
 
There isn't a lot of profit in many generic drugs. Not enough to attract the needed investment, at any rate.
 
The American healthcare system has been broken ever since (I believe) Reagan allowed private health insurance companies to exist, part of his incorrect assumptions of benevolent corporations. Until private (for profit) health insurance companies are rid of, the American healthcare system cannot meaningfully get better. The best system is a single-payer for all citizens but with all cosmetic procedures paid out of pocket.

Expanding Medicaid and Medicare is probably the best way to achieve the optimum though regulations on profit margins of health companes (insurance and drugs) also help.
 
The American healthcare system has been broken ever since (I believe) Reagan allowed private health insurance companies to exist, part of his incorrect assumptions of benevolent corporations. Until private (for profit) health insurance companies are rid of, the American healthcare system cannot meaningfully get better. The best system is a single-payer for all citizens but with all cosmetic procedures paid out of pocket.

Expanding Medicaid and Medicare is probably the best way to achieve the optimum though regulations on profit margins of health companes (insurance and drugs) also help.

It was signed by Nixon. Private healthcare companies had existed long before him, but under the Health Maintenance Organization Act of 1973, restrictions were lifted which prohibited insurers, hospitals, and doctors from operating as for-profit businesses rather than as service providers. Although, it's also important to note that it was a bill which had to be passed in congress first, before Nixon signed it. Ted Kennedy was the bill's principle sponsor.
 
Shkreli looks smug in that pic. Part of the reason he skated so much for so long is that he was incredibly charming.

Back on topic, someone needs define Trumpcare and show where it differs from Obamacare. ACA is a act of Congress. Trumpcare seems to be gas.

J
 
Thank you for correcting me! I hate spouting off incorrect assumptions.

If Nixon signed the bill, that would mean things have been bad for longer and Nixon is responsible for even more of the USA’s problems than I first thought. Though it takes 2 (branches) to tango so I guess it’s partially a reflection of attitudes at the time.
 
Thank you for correcting me! I hate spouting off incorrect assumptions.

If Nixon signed the bill, that would mean things have been bad for longer and Nixon is responsible for even more of the USA’s problems than I first thought. Though it takes 2 (branches) to tango so I guess it’s partially a reflection of attitudes at the time.

It was actually intended to solve a problem of the times. Like many really bad things going on, it was well intentioned. I think we would be well served by a constitutional amendment requiring every law congress passes to have an expiration date, limited to a maximum of five years. They pass these things "to solve a problem" with everyone involved knowing "okay, we need to review that as it goes along and do some correcting as we see what really happens" and the next thing you know we are looking at a fifty year old law and everyone involved in passing it that might have an idea as to what it was supposed to accomplish is long since dead.
 
yeah who knows what problem health care was trying to solve back then. But the idea of employer health care, didn't that start in the 40s? I think that's when the government exempted health care benefits from tax and employers started offering them as part of a benefits package to get the tax benefits.
 
Back on topic, someone needs define Trumpcare and show where it differs from Obamacare. ACA is a act of Congress. Trumpcare seems to be gas.
J

You Break it, You own it

Of course the delplorables will soon forget GOP chant of how they would keep all the popular parts of Obamacare and do away with all the unpopular socialist evil mandate.
Oh well maybe this is the fix, with an aging rual population and drug epidemic its natural that no more profit can be made and death sprial will finally take place.

Dont worry GOP has promised to repeal and replace it with something better
 
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