Er, does it really help if we expect a 24-hour delay between rounds regardless? Just wondering...
Try1 - The Newbies!
- Thread starter Trynthlas
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Darth Meanie
Warlord
The Stupid, Stupid Computer only kept one screenie, a pic of Orleans @ turn end.
Anyways, onto the Show!
The People of France, or in their own tounge, n00bia, sought an enlightened leader to scare the evil lions and generate a new era of French Culture.
Instead, they got the nutcase: Darth Meanie
He built the great feat of engineering known as the river road, at the price of thousands connected the two towers of earth, Paris and Orleans. He on only his first year of rule established contact with the much less good looking Justinian of Byzantine. He conscripted 4 great armies for his SoD to the vikings. He began construction of a great temple, at which, once dedicated, would bring gods down to share the secrets of some unknown technology to the French in Orleans. He established great games, bringing the four lesser nations together in harmony.
At the year 1500 BC though. He was assasinated, his army halfway trained, his temple mostly done, and a new city almost founded. The French once again must look for a new leader, one who could finish what Darth Meanie Started.
Note thus:
Susa founded where we were going to found one of our cities.
Admittedly, I screwed up a bit and could have gotten some stuff done faster.
We're in the middle of writing.
What should we use the Oracle for? Iron Working, Monarchy, and Alphabet look like our best options.
The Save
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/113442/Try1_BC-1500.CivBeyondSwordSave
Anyways, onto the Show!
The People of France, or in their own tounge, n00bia, sought an enlightened leader to scare the evil lions and generate a new era of French Culture.
Instead, they got the nutcase: Darth Meanie
He built the great feat of engineering known as the river road, at the price of thousands connected the two towers of earth, Paris and Orleans. He on only his first year of rule established contact with the much less good looking Justinian of Byzantine. He conscripted 4 great armies for his SoD to the vikings. He began construction of a great temple, at which, once dedicated, would bring gods down to share the secrets of some unknown technology to the French in Orleans. He established great games, bringing the four lesser nations together in harmony.
At the year 1500 BC though. He was assasinated, his army halfway trained, his temple mostly done, and a new city almost founded. The French once again must look for a new leader, one who could finish what Darth Meanie Started.
Note thus:
Susa founded where we were going to found one of our cities.
Admittedly, I screwed up a bit and could have gotten some stuff done faster.
We're in the middle of writing.
What should we use the Oracle for? Iron Working, Monarchy, and Alphabet look like our best options.
The Save
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/113442/Try1_BC-1500.CivBeyondSwordSave
I took a look at the game and went ahead and took a screenshot. Here's what we've got so far:
Cyrus has moved in and taken our prime real-estate. Although that would've been a good spot, I think we should worry about him later and still focus on Ragnar. Looking at Ragnar's resources, it looks to be a very good location.
At the very bottom of the picture is the settler that was going to head to Susa's current spot. Maybe we should settle him one spot W of the rice? It may be closer to Ragnar, but it would let our axemen get to the front-lines more quickly.
Cyrus has moved in and taken our prime real-estate. Although that would've been a good spot, I think we should worry about him later and still focus on Ragnar. Looking at Ragnar's resources, it looks to be a very good location.
At the very bottom of the picture is the settler that was going to head to Susa's current spot. Maybe we should settle him one spot W of the rice? It may be closer to Ragnar, but it would let our axemen get to the front-lines more quickly.
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Darth Meanie
Warlord
I was thinking 1S of where he is now. Cow, silver, river, floodplain, whats not to like?
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
lurker's comment:
trust me. I've done a few of these...
Hokay, comments:
- Third city location: I like the hill 1 south of where the settler currently is. It will have cows, spices, river, and a floodplain or two, as well as be coastal (not that that matters on pangea maps). However, if you look a bit closer it won't actually be able to work the silver (though will probably be in cultural borders).
- Oracle I would have built in Paris. 8 turns!!! Could have finished it in your turnset, probably. As far as what to use it on - I like Metal Casting. It's an expensive early tech that I don't like to spend time researching, and once we get alphabet we can trade it back for a bunch of the lower level techs.
- Cyrus!! GRR. Once we finish writing, our next tech needs to be hunting (spearmen). After we deal with Ragnar, I want to punish the little Persian twit for building that close to us, and we'll need spears to deal with the Immortals.
As for the city he built, I would raze it and build 1 tile south of it. (yes I changed my mind from the dotmap before
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- I looked at the wonders we can build currently: Temple of Artemis (14 turns in Paris), Great wall (same 14 turns), Pyramids (nah). My vote would be to chop out the great wall ASAP - not having to deal with barbarians AT ALL is very nice, plus if we build it in paris we're likely to get a great spy (very useful!). Our axe rush comes first, of course....
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The plan:
Finish the barracks, build some city-raider axemen (only really need 2-3 more axes I think), go to war with the Vikings.
Chop-rush the great wall in paris, use the Oracle (chop that baby!) to get Metal Casting.
Finish researching writing, get Hunting to deal with Cyrus.
Settle 3rd city on the hill 1 south of the settler's current spot.
Musing...I would really like the Temple of Artemis - we have a huge production bonus on it, and it would be very quick to chop-rush it in Paris. However, I think the great wall should take precedence, and if we run into complications against Ragnar, we should forego the Temple in place of more military.
Darth, on your report - are you sure the screenshots didn't get saved? They usually end up in "my documents\my games\Beyond the sword\screenshots". Check there. Also, I love the storytelling you did, but would also like a bit more detail on the turn-by-turn operation.
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Looking ok so far, team. Let's hear some input on the next steps (especially if you disagree with me!) and keep the ball rolling.
- Third city location: I like the hill 1 south of where the settler currently is. It will have cows, spices, river, and a floodplain or two, as well as be coastal (not that that matters on pangea maps). However, if you look a bit closer it won't actually be able to work the silver (though will probably be in cultural borders).
- Oracle I would have built in Paris. 8 turns!!! Could have finished it in your turnset, probably. As far as what to use it on - I like Metal Casting. It's an expensive early tech that I don't like to spend time researching, and once we get alphabet we can trade it back for a bunch of the lower level techs.
- Cyrus!! GRR. Once we finish writing, our next tech needs to be hunting (spearmen). After we deal with Ragnar, I want to punish the little Persian twit for building that close to us, and we'll need spears to deal with the Immortals.
As for the city he built, I would raze it and build 1 tile south of it. (yes I changed my mind from the dotmap before
)- I looked at the wonders we can build currently: Temple of Artemis (14 turns in Paris), Great wall (same 14 turns), Pyramids (nah). My vote would be to chop out the great wall ASAP - not having to deal with barbarians AT ALL is very nice, plus if we build it in paris we're likely to get a great spy (very useful!). Our axe rush comes first, of course....
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The plan:
Finish the barracks, build some city-raider axemen (only really need 2-3 more axes I think), go to war with the Vikings.
Chop-rush the great wall in paris, use the Oracle (chop that baby!) to get Metal Casting.
Finish researching writing, get Hunting to deal with Cyrus.
Settle 3rd city on the hill 1 south of the settler's current spot.
Musing...I would really like the Temple of Artemis - we have a huge production bonus on it, and it would be very quick to chop-rush it in Paris. However, I think the great wall should take precedence, and if we run into complications against Ragnar, we should forego the Temple in place of more military.
Darth, on your report - are you sure the screenshots didn't get saved? They usually end up in "my documents\my games\Beyond the sword\screenshots". Check there. Also, I love the storytelling you did, but would also like a bit more detail on the turn-by-turn operation.
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Looking ok so far, team. Let's hear some input on the next steps (especially if you disagree with me!) and keep the ball rolling.
LordKoros
Chieftain
Okay, just took a quick glance at the save. I believe that Darth has the settler sitting on a pretty good spot. It's a coastal square with two FPs, four grass hills, two plain hills, the cow and several river spots. Should end up being a nice production city. Added benefit is that it would cut off Cyrus's access to the rest of our land.
We really really really have to get those axes going!! If cyrus is hooking up copper - then Ragnar cant be very far behind. Send the two other finished axes to the rally point and if it were me, I'd can the barracks (if it's not at least halfway finished), switch into slavery and whip out a couple more asap. When all four of the current ones are in place, go ahead and start the attack, we might catch him with his pants down and if not, we probably can do some pillaging to slow him down by razing his copper/horses/food supply. For those who want more insight into the axe-rush attack, consider reading the guide by Sisiutil - The early Rush by Sisiutil
I like metal casting as our freebie, the only other choice might be CoL for the religion. If we send the free missionary into Susa, we could convert Cyrus into being an ally (at least until we get spears and/or cats) I don't want to face his immortals/axemen after he has that copper mined.
Darth, did you see where Justian came from? If he is on the other side of Cyrus then that would be another reason for befriending Cyrus. he could act as a buffer zone for us. However, the more I look at the map the more I think we are going to find most civs are located to our north. It looks like tundra south of that silver as well as jungle north of Orleans - signs that we're in the land down under!
Note to Trynthlas; there are no forests available in Orleans to chop. It's all jungle!
I had more to add but can't think of what it was right now. Oh well, I'll sleep on it and post again in the morn. Night everyone.
We really really really have to get those axes going!! If cyrus is hooking up copper - then Ragnar cant be very far behind. Send the two other finished axes to the rally point and if it were me, I'd can the barracks (if it's not at least halfway finished), switch into slavery and whip out a couple more asap. When all four of the current ones are in place, go ahead and start the attack, we might catch him with his pants down and if not, we probably can do some pillaging to slow him down by razing his copper/horses/food supply. For those who want more insight into the axe-rush attack, consider reading the guide by Sisiutil - The early Rush by Sisiutil
I like metal casting as our freebie, the only other choice might be CoL for the religion. If we send the free missionary into Susa, we could convert Cyrus into being an ally (at least until we get spears and/or cats) I don't want to face his immortals/axemen after he has that copper mined.
Darth, did you see where Justian came from? If he is on the other side of Cyrus then that would be another reason for befriending Cyrus. he could act as a buffer zone for us. However, the more I look at the map the more I think we are going to find most civs are located to our north. It looks like tundra south of that silver as well as jungle north of Orleans - signs that we're in the land down under!
Note to Trynthlas; there are no forests available in Orleans to chop. It's all jungle!
I had more to add but can't think of what it was right now. Oh well, I'll sleep on it and post again in the morn. Night everyone.
LordKoros
Chieftain
Hehe, look again sir. Two tiles south of the city there is a forest.
Immortals are nice, but if we pump out a decent number of spears, they drop just like anything else. I'd rather smash him in the face for his sheer audacity
I count the forest as being three south of Orleans... and it belongs to Paris.
I also disagree about Cyrus. By the time we get any spears (have to research hunting remember) Cyrus will have axemen among his immortals and those axes will rip right through a spear. Right now we're way behind in military for a second rush attack and unless we abandon the wonders you mentioned early we shouldnt get too bloodthirsty until were able to back it up.
Better to just finish off Ragnar (if we can) and then get a few more core cities up and running. Tech to IW and Construction before we build a large SoD and then go to war.
endymion
Chieftain
everything looks okay im afraid of ragnar thoug if u check his power he is still more powerfull then us it doesnt mean a lot now cause he prob has some units exploring and more then 1 city but it could still be a pain.
the settler is on a nice location and could settle there.
i wouldnt have started the oracle in our second city i think we might loose it now too another civ but the chance is smaal me thinks.
for the next person build up our force and take at least ragnars capital if e has too much troops in the other citys leave it at that we can always takee him out a couple of turns later with some more axes dont wast em
the settler is on a nice location and could settle there.
i wouldnt have started the oracle in our second city i think we might loose it now too another civ but the chance is smaal me thinks.
for the next person build up our force and take at least ragnars capital if e has too much troops in the other citys leave it at that we can always takee him out a couple of turns later with some more axes dont wast em
LordKoros
Chieftain
I agree with endymion. We need to finish off those Vikings asap.
Researching hunting isn't a big deal - it's what, 4 turns? And yeah, Cyrus might have axes with the Immortals, but we'll have axes with our spears 
Anyhow, I have no issues delaying the push against Cyrus until Construction, as long as we make sure to block him in!
Anyhow, I have no issues delaying the push against Cyrus until Construction, as long as we make sure to block him in!
Rince
King
I will play the turns soon, following our plan which basically consists of building a few more axemen and then attacking Ragnar. Finish the oracle to get Metal Casting.
As for the settler, I created another dotmap for you to consider:
Settling at 6 would mean we loose coastal access but get both cow and silver.
Spot 5 is a very sweet one IMHO, it could use the flood plain tile shared with 6 to compensate for the lack of food ressources.
3 and 7 are gap-fillers to connect our empire to the eventually conquered capital of the vikings.
Please tell me what you think of it.
As for the Great Wall: Personally I never build it since barbarians seldom bother me much (Raging Barbs is OFF, right?). Are we sure that a couple of Axes couldn't benefit us more than a wonder?
As a final note: How about attacking Cyrus first? He will have Copper soon, is very close to us and occupies a nice city spot with Susa.
Greetings,
Rince
As for the settler, I created another dotmap for you to consider:
Spoiler :
Settling at 6 would mean we loose coastal access but get both cow and silver.
Spot 5 is a very sweet one IMHO, it could use the flood plain tile shared with 6 to compensate for the lack of food ressources.
3 and 7 are gap-fillers to connect our empire to the eventually conquered capital of the vikings.
Please tell me what you think of it.
As for the Great Wall: Personally I never build it since barbarians seldom bother me much (Raging Barbs is OFF, right?). Are we sure that a couple of Axes couldn't benefit us more than a wonder?
As a final note: How about attacking Cyrus first? He will have Copper soon, is very close to us and occupies a nice city spot with Susa.
Greetings,
Rince
I submit the following dotmap as an alternative:
All cities would have more than adequate food resources.
I think Cyrus can wait until we eliminate Ragnar - we just have to make sure to box him in with the cities, which is another reason I prefer the locations on my dotmap.
Raging barbs is indeed off, but they can still be a nuisance. Really, the reason I want it is for the potential to get a Great Spy. Don't underestimate the power of espionage
Smoke the Viking, block Cyrus and we can deal with him at our leisure.
Spoiler :
All cities would have more than adequate food resources.
I think Cyrus can wait until we eliminate Ragnar - we just have to make sure to box him in with the cities, which is another reason I prefer the locations on my dotmap.
Raging barbs is indeed off, but they can still be a nuisance. Really, the reason I want it is for the potential to get a Great Spy. Don't underestimate the power of espionage
Smoke the Viking, block Cyrus and we can deal with him at our leisure.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
lurker's comment: You are looking in on things too far in advance at this point, IMHO. Cyrus is an opportunity. You only need to take Susa and then redirect for ragnar. that Ragnar border you see? that's his capital. Prolly don't wanna move that city. the dotmaps are cool and keep me coming back for more, but be flexible. BTW, I like one west of yellow glorious noob city 3. Learn to live without 'perfect' city placement.
LordKoros
Chieftain
Thanks AK for the comments. The reason we're probably spending too much time on our dot maps is that with seven team members there's not much else to do while we wait for our turn to come around. Taking out Susa and suing for peace is a nice idea. Usually when I start a war I keep going until it is over (or at least until WW starts to affect my cities) and then I usually stop to rebuild before continuing the same war. So a quick raid on Susa to deny Cyrus the copper and then a full scale attack on Ragnar is something that I don't usually consider. It's thinking outside the box like this that I need to improve on.
Why one west of it? (what's the benefit as opposed to the current spot, etc)
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
lurker's comment:
pulls in the spices with a border pop, keeps the river and the cows.
Rince
King
With my proposition we could get silver and cow with city 6, and the spices together with silk and gold in city 5. I would therefore move the settler 1 SE and try to get the next city at spot 5. If we attack Cyrus first, this should be no problem. Together with Susa we would have a compact empire with lots of ressources and could then focus our efforts on eliminating the Vikings.
In short, we need a consensus here:
1 - Whom to attack first, Cyrus or Ragnar?
2 - Where to settle with the current settler.
I vote for Cyrus, and city spot 6 from my earlier post.
Rince
In short, we need a consensus here:
1 - Whom to attack first, Cyrus or Ragnar?
2 - Where to settle with the current settler.
I vote for Cyrus, and city spot 6 from my earlier post.
Rince
