TSL Middle East

Martin Badger

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With the TSL Europe map being added in R&F, I really wish Firaxis would add a TSL Middle East map. I would also love a Kingdom of Judah or Kingdom of Israel civ as well as an Ottoman civ. One complication though: Saladin. The only way this would work is if the Arabian capital was moved to Riyadh, Mecca, or Medina. Its current location doesn't sit well with Cleopatra. I would propose that the map encompass Egypt going down the Nile including Nubia, the Arabian Penninsula, the Iranian plateau, Asia Minor, Greece including Macedonia, and maybe include Scythia as well. Let me know your thoughts on a TSL Middle East map and the proposed civs.
 
I like this idea. I personally would like to go farther west to Italy and Northern Africa where Carthage is and make it encompass more of the Mediterranean as well. Maybe calling it a Mediterranean World TSL would fit better anyway. Also I'm hoping that the Ottomans, Byzantines, Italy, Assyria, Babylon and Carthage would get in too.
 
I'd rather it extend east into Central Asia, the Caucasus, and the Pontic Steppe rather than west into North Africa. And yes, north into the Balkans is fine (though Macedon is a little too far north, I think). Of current civs such a map would fit Sumer, Persia, Athens/Sparta, Egypt, Nubia, Arabia, Georgia, and Scythia. We could generously allow for Macedon by moving it south into Greece and India by moving it west into Pakistan. If the next EP happened to include Carthage, we could allow them to start in Lebanon at the location of Tyre (it's technically where they started, after all). Such a map would also support a hypothetical Ethiopia, so there's that.
 
I think we need both.
A Med map and an East Med to India map.
Also an Americas map.
That is a respectable compromise which I can agree with. We need more civs to make the Americas map happen. I think you would need at least 8 for the standard map size and we are at 5 right now but it's definitely doable.
 
That is a respectable compromise which I can agree with. We need more civs to make the Americas map happen. I think you would need at least 8 for the standard map size and we are at 5 right now but it's definitely doable.

True.
The TSL East Asia map is small but its also not a very good map, lack of detail in some areas gives me the impression it was a rush job
I'd hope with another expansion we would have have enough civs for TSL Americas and TSL Africa although Africa would suffer from so many civs starting close together
An alternative to a Americas map might be an Atlantic map although I think that works better for a New World/Colonisation scenario than a normal game
 
An alternative to a Americas map might be an Atlantic map although I think that works better for a New World/Colonisation scenario than a normal game
I'd like both a scenario and a map. Also to go along with a Middle East Map a trading scenario game would be cool too although I would want Mali to be in there as well.
 
The TSL East Asia map is small but its also not a very good map
Honestly this is true of all of Civ6's real world maps. The Earth map is so ugly and inaccurate it looks like a child's drawing. Europe and East Asia are better but still not great. Such a disappointment after Civ5's great Earth/Scrambled Earth maps. I've started using YnAMP's Earth, but I have two complaints: finishing a game takes foreeeeeeeeeever and the layout of the continents is strange (why is Arabia Africa? Why is Anatolia Europe? Why is Australia Asia? Why are the Americas one continent?).
 
Honestly this is true of all of Civ6's real world maps. The Earth map is so ugly and inaccurate it looks like a child's drawing. Europe and East Asia are better but still not great. Such a disappointment after Civ5's great Earth/Scrambled Earth maps. I've started using YnAMP's Earth, but I have two complaints: finishing a game takes foreeeeeeeeeever and the layout of the continents is strange (why is Arabia Africa? Why is Anatolia Europe? Why is Australia Asia? Why are the Americas one continent?).

I sort of alternate between YnAMP and the Firaxis maps. I prefer standard-size maps for the game but the Firaxis ones aren't great.
 
I've started using YnAMP's Earth, but I have two complaints: finishing a game takes foreeeeeeeeeever and the layout of the continents is strange (why is Arabia Africa? Why is Anatolia Europe? Why is Australia Asia? Why are the Americas one continent?).
The answer is simple, the maps were imported from Civ5 (that had a very limited set of continents, only used for visual effect) and Civ6 WB still doesn't allow to "paint" a map efficiently (IE with a large brush) and I still haven't found the time to repaint the continents tile by tile.

I've put somewhere in my to do list a "make a brush for the WorldBuilder" entry, closely followed by the "set real world continents on YnAMP maps" entry.

More on topic, current version of YnAMP already allows you to select West/East/North/South borders on the Giant and Largest Earth, to play on smaller portions of those maps like Old World only, Americas only, Pacific only, ... (still working on it, setting new borders positions, playing on Middle East only will be possible in next version)

The interesting part is that the portion of the map will use the same DB as the Giant Earth, which means all Civilizations (custom included) that have a TSL set for the Giant Earth will be correctly placed in the selected region, same for Natural Wonders (custom included), and Auto City Naming will work too.
 
The answer is simple, the maps were imported from Civ5 (that had a very limited set of continents, only used for visual effect) and Civ6 WB still doesn't allow to "paint" a map efficiently (IE with a large brush) and I still haven't found the time to repaint the continents tile by tile.

I've put somewhere in my to do list a "make a brush for the WorldBuilder" entry, closely followed by the "set real world continents on YnAMP maps" entry.
Cool. Thanks for the explanation. :) (I love the maps otherwise, btw. I always played real world maps in Civ5 and was extremely disappointed with Firaxis' real world maps in Civ6.)
 
As someone who regularly plays as Persia, I'd definitely be thrilled to have a TSL Middle East map! Those other map ideas (Pacific, Atlantic, Americas) would be cool too.

I agree with the suggested boundaries in the first post. At the furthest west we'd have Greece and Macedon, in the South it would be Nubia, Scythia in the North, and perhaps India in the East.
 
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