conquer_dude
Imperial Slave
Alright then who's up?
Tupac02-Ghandi the Conqueror AWE
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SimpleMonkey
King
I'm up. I posted a got it yesterday. Thought I could install Civ3 on my laptop and play this afternoon, but it didn't run. So I'll play my five tonight and post either tonight or tomorrow.
Long live the warmonger Ghandi!
Long live the warmonger Ghandi!
conquer_dude
Imperial Slave
Your playing just five turns?
conquer_dude
Imperial Slave
Wait a sec I've got a problem. I play Conquests not Vanilla. Just realized that, but I bet I can still play it on vanilla.
Edit: Nope, take me out. It would have to be on Conquests for me to play.
Edit: Nope, take me out. It would have to be on Conquests for me to play.
Lboogie13
Warlord
Sounds good guys. How long does everyone have the game, 20 turns?
I'll try my best to kick butt. Please be patient with me though, I'm still learning.
I'll try my best to kick butt. Please be patient with me though, I'm still learning.
tupaclives
Tupac Lives on!!
@vmxa - I'v never thought of using F10 like that before, although chances are that with a bit of luck most or all of the first tier techs will have been researched by the time we get into contact with our first civ.
Pity you won't be able to play conquer_dude w'll just start off with 3 players for now, thers no chance you'd be interested in plas heat up we are going ying vmxa or at least lurking in an advisory capacity is there?
@SimpleMonkey - our first round of tunsets are going to be 10 turns each, once things start to heat up we will drop back to 5 turns. but for now play 10 rather than 5.
Pity you won't be able to play conquer_dude w'll just start off with 3 players for now, thers no chance you'd be interested in plas heat up we are going ying vmxa or at least lurking in an advisory capacity is there?
@SimpleMonkey - our first round of tunsets are going to be 10 turns each, once things start to heat up we will drop back to 5 turns. but for now play 10 rather than 5.
SimpleMonkey
King
3500BC – Checking in. Delhi is a land of plenty, with an irrigated cow and our first worker busy building a road. Our two citizens are content, bless their little hearts. Once our borders expand, we’ll have 7 bonus grasslands at our disposal. 
We have a 2nd worker due in 4 turns to siphon off the third citizen who’ll enter the glory of our Indian empire in 3 turns. Let’s not forget to tweak the lux slider, since our other warrior won’t be back by then. Figure our next city should be on the hill 3NE, which has a river and a cow. The forest is going to go for a rax chop. Maybe. Science is going at 90% for Masonry in 20. I’m not yet opting to use F10 to see who our opponents/victims in this game are, as that kind of smells like an exploit. Other minds may differ.
Here's how things look.
Hit enter.
3450BC – Well, look what happens when Delhi’s borders expand!
The good news is that there are spices in reach. And who could our little pink friend be?
Joan may want to be friends, but Gandhi has plenty of dhal and a nice vegetarian curry. We do not want her stinky French cheese. She will not sell her knowledge of Masonry at any price. So we see no reason to part with our far superior knowledge of Burying Bodies the Fancy Way. We declare war and move Andy the warrior back to our glorious empire,
Oh, and the time for Masonry just dropped to 17 turns.
3400BC – The French warrior fortifies and Andy keeps moving back to Delhi.
3350BC Worker finishes road and starts mining, joined by worker bee #2. Masonry is now due in 18 turns, due to the loss of one citizen.
3300BC Production now set to barracks in 9 turns, but that’ll drop once we add the 3rd citizen in 7. Gandhi wonders if this game is going to require much math and micromanaging. The old Gandhi would have been a nice little Gandhi to Joan. He would have tried to be friends with Joan. The old Gandhi would have probably sold her Burying Bodies the Fancy Way at some ridiculous discount price and hoped that she and her friends would let him sit at their table at lunch. That was the old Gandhi. The weak Gandhi. The new Gandhi is going to have Joan’s head on a stick in his front yard. Peaceful little brown man indeed.
And at this suspenseful moment, my game keeps crashing every time I hit enter for 3250BC. Very frustrating.
I've reinstalled and it keeps doing it. I'm handing off the save after only 4 turns to see if it behaves better for someone else. Is it being sticky because I'm playing PTW from Civ Gold? I wouldn't think that it mattered. Anyway, if my turns have to be replayed, they're pretty easy to reconstruct.
Here's the <<SAVE>>
We have a 2nd worker due in 4 turns to siphon off the third citizen who’ll enter the glory of our Indian empire in 3 turns. Let’s not forget to tweak the lux slider, since our other warrior won’t be back by then. Figure our next city should be on the hill 3NE, which has a river and a cow. The forest is going to go for a rax chop. Maybe. Science is going at 90% for Masonry in 20. I’m not yet opting to use F10 to see who our opponents/victims in this game are, as that kind of smells like an exploit. Other minds may differ.Here's how things look.
Hit enter.
3450BC – Well, look what happens when Delhi’s borders expand!
The good news is that there are spices in reach. And who could our little pink friend be?
Joan may want to be friends, but Gandhi has plenty of dhal and a nice vegetarian curry. We do not want her stinky French cheese. She will not sell her knowledge of Masonry at any price. So we see no reason to part with our far superior knowledge of Burying Bodies the Fancy Way. We declare war and move Andy the warrior back to our glorious empire,
Oh, and the time for Masonry just dropped to 17 turns.
3400BC – The French warrior fortifies and Andy keeps moving back to Delhi.
3350BC Worker finishes road and starts mining, joined by worker bee #2. Masonry is now due in 18 turns, due to the loss of one citizen.
3300BC Production now set to barracks in 9 turns, but that’ll drop once we add the 3rd citizen in 7. Gandhi wonders if this game is going to require much math and micromanaging. The old Gandhi would have been a nice little Gandhi to Joan. He would have tried to be friends with Joan. The old Gandhi would have probably sold her Burying Bodies the Fancy Way at some ridiculous discount price and hoped that she and her friends would let him sit at their table at lunch. That was the old Gandhi. The weak Gandhi. The new Gandhi is going to have Joan’s head on a stick in his front yard. Peaceful little brown man indeed.
And at this suspenseful moment, my game keeps crashing every time I hit enter for 3250BC. Very frustrating.
I've reinstalled and it keeps doing it. I'm handing off the save after only 4 turns to see if it behaves better for someone else. Is it being sticky because I'm playing PTW from Civ Gold? I wouldn't think that it mattered. Anyway, if my turns have to be replayed, they're pretty easy to reconstruct.Here's the <<SAVE>>
conquer_dude
Imperial Slave
Lurker's Comment:Will be lurking. It looks like you guys got into an early war.
tupaclives
Tupac Lives on!!
I'm not sure if you are able to play using Vanilla using PTW, i'm pretty sure it will load it but will save it as a file that cant be read by vanilla. I think that would account for the game crashing as well, I'm pretty sure I read that in one of the Aggie SG's
Wonderful story telling btw! Are you not able to use vanilla at all? If you are then try the save again usign vanilla and finish off the rest of your turns.
Wonderful story telling btw! Are you not able to use vanilla at all? If you are then try the save again usign vanilla and finish off the rest of your turns.
SimpleMonkey
King
@tupaclives -- Well, I was hoping that it would be possible to play a vanilla game using Civ3 Gold. Kinda dumb, as Gold is just PTW. So here's the call out to more knowledgable players -- is there any way to play a vanilla game using PTW, or is this hopeless?
Oh, and I thought I remembered from your first post that you wanted turnsets to be five. I'd love to play out ten if we could get this version thing fixed.
@conquer_dude -- Yep, early war, war all the time. That's the fun of an Always war game. The only civs you're not at war with are the ones you've already exterminated.
Oh, and I thought I remembered from your first post that you wanted turnsets to be five. I'd love to play out ten if we could get this version thing fixed.
@conquer_dude -- Yep, early war, war all the time. That's the fun of an Always war game. The only civs you're not at war with are the ones you've already exterminated.
tupaclives]
"@vmxa - I'v never thought of using F10 like that before, although chances are that with a bit of luck most or all of the first tier techs will have been researched by the time we get into contact with our first civ."
If it is an exploit it must be about the smallest one in the game. I mean you are going to find out who they are at some point anyway and like you say it will probably only affect two civs.
"Pity you won't be able to play conquer_dude w'll just start off with 3 players for now, thers no chance you'd be interested in plas heat up we are going ying vmxa or at least lurking in an advisory capacity is there?"
I could not really understand the sentence. I can say I have not played vanilla in some time and only remember some of the distinctions.
1) armies much weaker and cannot heal in hostile lands without BattleField. They also heal slower, no full heal in barracks. No extra movement.
2) no SGL, so leaders are able to rush wonders or armies.
3) no lethal bombardment
Those are the big ones
4) no free tech for Philo
5) tech tree is a bit different
6) min research 40, not 50 turns
7) no SoZ, KT or ToA and a couple of other wonders as well as changes to some.
8) no MDI, so no immediate path for sword upgrades
9) no TOW and I think no guerilla
10) no defensive bombarment for units
I am sure I missed many other aspect of the game changes for vanilla and thoe expansion packs.
In vanilla I think that RCP is still a viable method of city placement an camps can be used to great effect up to emperor. The FP is much more useful as well.
"@vmxa - I'v never thought of using F10 like that before, although chances are that with a bit of luck most or all of the first tier techs will have been researched by the time we get into contact with our first civ."
If it is an exploit it must be about the smallest one in the game. I mean you are going to find out who they are at some point anyway and like you say it will probably only affect two civs.
"Pity you won't be able to play conquer_dude w'll just start off with 3 players for now, thers no chance you'd be interested in plas heat up we are going ying vmxa or at least lurking in an advisory capacity is there?"
I could not really understand the sentence. I can say I have not played vanilla in some time and only remember some of the distinctions.
1) armies much weaker and cannot heal in hostile lands without BattleField. They also heal slower, no full heal in barracks. No extra movement.
2) no SGL, so leaders are able to rush wonders or armies.
3) no lethal bombardment
Those are the big ones
4) no free tech for Philo
5) tech tree is a bit different
6) min research 40, not 50 turns
7) no SoZ, KT or ToA and a couple of other wonders as well as changes to some.
8) no MDI, so no immediate path for sword upgrades
9) no TOW and I think no guerilla
10) no defensive bombarment for units
I am sure I missed many other aspect of the game changes for vanilla and thoe expansion packs.
In vanilla I think that RCP is still a viable method of city placement an camps can be used to great effect up to emperor. The FP is much more useful as well.
SimpleMonkey said:
I am not positive about this, but I think that if you load the game in either PTW or C3C, it can be played, but once saved, it will not work correctly in vanilla.
I guess someone like Gramphos would know for sure. In any event, you have to have vanilla to install PTW or C3C, so what is the issue? Oh I guess some could have "lost" their original. I am not sure about complete or gold, but I would expect that you have the ability to start a game under vanilla.
I am not sure what they reason for using vanilla was in the first place as just the interface alone makes it less desirable. Is it that soemone does not have either PTW or C3C?
If they have PTW, but not C3C, then everone could run the save as vanilla using the PTW version. I have seen some wierd things loading vanilla games under C3C. Things like it shows SoZ as being a valid wonder, but it cannot be built.
BTW the save is pointing to a incorrect location. The T is uppercased in the correct address for Tupac02_3300bc.SAV.
Ok for what it is worth, the save could not be loaded by vanilla on my system, it got an error. The error is either due to an incompatibile format or a corrupt file.
You see these all the time when a player loads a game with a version of the patch that is not compat. This is not likely the case in vanilla as the patch was around a long time and I think all would work.
In C33C the break was prior to 1.20 and 1.22. So I would expect that it is due to using PTW. It works fine in C3C and loads right up.
You see these all the time when a player loads a game with a version of the patch that is not compat. This is not likely the case in vanilla as the patch was around a long time and I think all would work.
In C33C the break was prior to 1.20 and 1.22. So I would expect that it is due to using PTW. It works fine in C3C and loads right up.
Hum forgot the most important changes in C3 and C3C and that is the civs and their traits. One of the other issues with playing a vanilla save in C3C is that the pedia will reflect Conquest info, not vanilla.
So looking at the traits you will see things like Ag and Seafaring. I think India did not have any traits changed. Which leads to another question, why anyone would want to be religious in any game, let alone AWE?
Ind and Mil as excellent AWE traits, especially in C3, so of course China is a natural for that kind of game.
So looking at the traits you will see things like Ag and Seafaring. I think India did not have any traits changed. Which leads to another question, why anyone would want to be religious in any game, let alone AWE?
Ind and Mil as excellent AWE traits, especially in C3, so of course China is a natural for that kind of game.
SimpleMonkey
King
vmxa -- Thanks for looking at the save. I've fixed the link so it should download correctly. Wish I could get the save to play correctly. 
I can post an earlier save if anyone thinks that it would make a difference. I can also try opening it in C3C, but anyone who's checked in on the Russian Polar Expedition could tell you what can sometimes happen if you play a vanilla save in C3C. 
Oh, and to answer your question about why pick Gandhi instead of the more logical choice for AWE (like the Chinese or the Aztecs) -- it's because it sounds like so much fun!
I can post an earlier save if anyone thinks that it would make a difference. I can also try opening it in C3C, but anyone who's checked in on the Russian Polar Expedition could tell you what can sometimes happen if you play a vanilla save in C3C. Oh, and to answer your question about why pick Gandhi instead of the more logical choice for AWE (like the Chinese or the Aztecs) -- it's because it sounds like so much fun!
tupaclives
Tupac Lives on!!
vmxa said:
Yes me and as I started the game thats why it was played as a vanilla game. I'm on a mac and I've asked and asked at all the games stores and as far as any of them know Civ3 Complete is not being shipped for Mac in Australia which is where I live.
tupaclives
Tupac Lives on!!
vmxa said:
I chose India because I've always wanted to see a violent, bloodthirsty, warmongering Gandhi
Lboogie13
Warlord
I'll pick the game up tonight and play 10 turns. I'm working late so I'll post it later tonight or tomorrow morning. If something comes up I'll post and let you know exactly when it will be up.
Gandhi and his sword-wielding elephant warriors are on the way! Yippie kay yeah mothers.
Gandhi and his sword-wielding elephant warriors are on the way! Yippie kay yeah mothers.
tupaclives said:
Makes sense, I was very surprised when the announced Complete for the Mac at such a late date. So you will need to have the game started back at your save and played with only C3.
Have you checked with Amazon or one of the worldwide shippers to see if it can be gotten at a reasonable price?
I don't know how things are "down under", but here you can get a PC dirt cheap, especially a used one. Those older ones are great to have for older games only. I keep a Win98 system just for that purpose.
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