Turn Discussion Thread

[Lord Parkin]

We also need to decide what to do on the diplo front. I really hope LP can help.

Shared some input in the AMAZON thread. If someone in the know can provide information about whether our initial treaty with them was ever amended, I can start getting into specifics of a diplo strategy. Need to know first exactly what the terms currently agreed to are though, so I can figure out how to phrase things.

 

[AlphaShard]

I don't remember it being amended at any point and I thought that the only real requirement was to stay in it until M&M were gone. Which they now are. Amazon seems to want to keep it going anyways or trading techs to them.

I guess we have to cancel all treaties and make new ones.

 

[Lord Parkin]

Well I guess it makes sense for them to find any excuse to insist on techs being shared with them, since they're the ones that probably gain the most from it. Obviously that's no good for us in the #1 position though. I'll have a more exact look through the original ETTT agreement and see exactly what it says. Regardless though, we can't continue in this way - it makes no sense at all - so it's a matter of trying to convince AMAZON to see this too.

 

[AlphaShard]

Don't forget our SAP is now past it's 1500ad point as well.

 

[BLubmuz]

Don't forget our SAP is now past it's 1500ad point as well.

Yes, but Ama wrote in their last message that the 1500 AD is just a limit to not cancel the treaty, so the treaty continues indefinitely.

Agreed about radio for subs, but first the GSpy, artillery and infantry.

 

[Lord Parkin]

Yes, but Ama wrote in their last message that the 1500 AD is just a limit to not cancel the treaty, so the treaty continues indefinitely.

Well that just seems silly of them. Whoever heard of an outdated alliance indefinitely continuing even after all other players outside the alliance are gone?

I get the impression AMAZON are trying to push their luck and squeeze everything they can out of the ETTT right now. At this point they probably think that delaying and dragging their feet regarding the end of the alliance gives them the best possibility to win in the end. That may or may not be true, but we have to make it clear that that's not acceptable from our perspective.

 

[AlphaShard]

Yeah were going to have to make new agreements with them. We can't give them techs if they are going to continue giving them to others. So no more techs at least.

 

[Lord Parkin]

Yeah, I'd definitely agree that we need to stop with the tech gifts, at least until they're willing to agree not to pass them on to anyone else.

 

[BLubmuz]

turn played. Not much to say.
The last transport will arrive in Alcor next turn, the ones already there are fully loaded.
I've set research @80%, to complete artillery in 3 and to have some gold to upgrade 7 cannons. Alternatively, we can research it in 4 and have enough gold to upgrade all our cannons, or at least the ones near Alcor.

I'm in favor of the first option. We can unload some 40 units in 4 turns, many of them MGs and artillery, so no fear of collateral. They are also the thoughest units we can field.

I queued a transport for ferry, but an harbor after the IW.

 

[AlphaShard]

That sounds good Bulb, so after Artillery is Fascism, then Radio?

I think in a big picture view Amazon should just be next, they are the biggest threat to us wining the game.

 

[BLubmuz]

That sounds good Bulb, so after Artillery is Fascism, then Radio?

Wrong! To have Fascism you need AL and we don't care much a GG.
My doubt is between AL (for Infantry - first - and for Factories) and Communism to gain the GSpy for another GAge.
After that Electricity > Radio

I think in a big picture view Amazon should just be next, they are the biggest threat to us wining the game.

If we go for Space we only need to secure Anjennida, otherwise sure, Ama next.

 

[Trystero]

If we go for Space we only need to secure Anjennida, otherwise sure, Ama next.

If we want to go for a Space victory, why did we attack Quat? Don't we have enough territory?

I agree with the proposed tech path: no need for Fascism, really.

 

[AlphaShard]

I would like to go Space.

 

[Trystero]

For Space we'll need to build up defenses and counter-espionage. Especially the latter. Amazon built the GW, and might have a settled Great Spy. It will be pretty obvious what we are doing once we build the Apollo Program, so I would expect a lot of sabotage attempts.

 

[AlphaShard]

We got Security Bureau's being built on our home island, probably should get Intelligence Agecny's as well. Also get a few more spys stacked in cities as well. This has been my fear that they would just keep up there MO of using Espionage to steal techs, stifle our builds, etc.

It all depends on which you think will be easier and faster, Conquest or Space. Also I think Quat wants to live so they can try for Culture Victory.

Not to mention we will need anti-air to help from getting nuked. We should get a treaty going NOW about banning nukes and not building the Manhatten Project. Since we know that Uranium is available to everyone.

 

[BLubmuz]

Turn played.
I queued Notre Dame after the transport in the IW+HE city. Then, queued many science buildings in many cities, but we can change at any time if we do not agree.

This is the last turn of GAge, so if we want to change civics, it's the last chance for awhile. I'm happy with the ones we're running, i'm just debated between Free Speech and Bureaucracy. With all the towns we have, i'm thinking that maybe we can have some benefits from this too, not mentioning the 100% culture in any city, good to fight Ama culture.

I'd like to move something on the diplo front, if LP doesn't come soon with some proposal, i'll try to draft one.

 

[AlphaShard]

I do like the idea of Free Speech, though I am sure it will annoy Amazon. Just making sure your aware they will be annoyed with it I am sure. Course they did Emancipation first, which they are out of btw. CDZ is the only one in it.

So if you wanted to get out of Eman and into Caste or Slavery I would be fine with that. I'd like the extra hammer for Workshops and possibly running some GP farms.

 

[BLubmuz]

I don't care if Ama gets annoyed. I will count the villages and towns we have and compare them with the 50% for Capital. If the result (i will report) is roughly even, i will revolt. I prefer to stay in Emancipation, to piss our competitors off . No Doubt for Theo and FM, Representation is useless, we're almost not running specialists.

Next turn i will probably switch any developed city to build whealth (maybe research in Capital). I want upgrade all the cannons near Alcor and this is the only way. Short term objectives can bring to long term success, don't you agree?

 

[AlphaShard]

For how many turns of building wealth?

 

[BLubmuz]

For how many turns of building wealth?

One or two, i'll see next turn.