BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
I agree on IW first, now that we discovered the first strategic.
We can prechop some forest if so is planned and delay to complete until Math is in.
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We can prechop some forest if so is planned and delay to complete until Math is in.
At what stage did we think the map had no strategic resources at all?
What are we planning to do with it if we find it? Is settling near iron first really that much better than settling near horses?
I'm still completely bamboozled as to why the horses make IW more rather than less of a priority.
I'd also propose that unless someone who actually voted for Math->Currency->CoL in the poll says they've "changed their mind" then the existing poll result is still valid.
What are we planning to do with it if we find it? Is settling near iron first really that much better than settling near horses?
I'm still completely bamboozled as to why the horses make IW more rather than less of a priority.
I'd also propose that unless someone who actually voted for Math->Currency->CoL in the poll says they've "changed their mind" then the existing poll result is still valid.
azzaman333
meh
Any metal is more valuable than horses.
Trystero
Deity
I agree that finding horses decreases the need for IW soon. We needed some military strategic resource, and we've found one. And as azzaman pointed out, we still might find copper before the settler is done.
I get that, but surely the difference between "settling next to iron" and "settling next to horses" is less than the difference between "settling next to iron" and "settling next to no strategic resource"?
Trystero
Deity
Sure we want some metal, but we aren't in dire need of it unless barb spears start showing up. Let AMAZON research IW for us so we can get to Liberalism first.
azzaman333
meh
The sooner we know the better. Also, let Amazon research it? Their techrate is useless.
Yeah I'm a little confused too. We have horses now, IW should certainly be less of a priority. We have something to defend ourselves with. We should feel confident and take this opportunity to expand our land and our economy. I'm still all for math.
pindicator
Emperor
IW please! We cannot be satisfied with chariots or HAs as a defense -- and if metals are nearby then we need to take that site before AMAZON can.
I would really prefer to know where IW is before settling on Andromeda. Even if we don't have Iron in visible tiles it lets us know that the horses are a bigger priority. Spotting horses where they are leads to the notion that the strategic resources are up for grabs in the spokes of the world star.
I would really prefer to know where IW is before settling on Andromeda. Even if we don't have Iron in visible tiles it lets us know that the horses are a bigger priority. Spotting horses where they are leads to the notion that the strategic resources are up for grabs in the spokes of the world star.
AlphaShard
Emperor
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
I voted for CoL straight after PH will be traded from Amazon.
But now i vote for IW immediately!
Even if i think that this game will be decided by GP units.
Lib for Rifling can be our target.
azzaman333
meh
Huh? Iron > Horses, plain and simple.
AlphaShard
Emperor
Well I don't agree Azzaman.
azzaman333
meh
That's not opinion, it's fact.
AlphaShard
Emperor
In a one to one fight sure, but typically the human player doesn't just send one unit.
azzaman333
meh
With Horses, you can build Chariots and Horse Archers.
With Iron, you can build Axemen, Spearmen and Swordsmen.
You're arguing against yourself.
With Iron, you can build Axemen, Spearmen and Swordsmen.
You're arguing against yourself.
Mounted units can be very effective in multiplayer. The extra movement is worth a lot more than it is in single player because the AI tend to distribute their forces more evenly than humans do. Fighting against a human it's possible to evade and ignore their 1 move units and strike at vulnerable targets using mounted units.
Even if we were to agree that Iron>Horses I don't think that argument matters in the slightest. Right now we need to defend against early barbarians, and certainly Horses >> Barbarians. Horses are sufficient to do the job we need them to do, and therefore there is no need to delay the research of techs which will improve our economic strength, going after Iron.
Even if we were to agree that Iron>Horses I don't think that argument matters in the slightest. Right now we need to defend against early barbarians, and certainly Horses >> Barbarians. Horses are sufficient to do the job we need them to do, and therefore there is no need to delay the research of techs which will improve our economic strength, going after Iron.
So, Blubmuz has changed from "other" to IW, but of the 8 people currently making up a majority in the poll none have changed their minds. And I still can't see why they would, I can see a lot of arguments that iron is better than horses, which I agree it is, but I still can't see why finding horses would make us need iron more rather than less. There's a lot of debate going on, but it's the same vocal minority and substantially the same arguments we had when we voted.
This is the turn we need to commit, and there's only a few hours of it left. We've made the tech trades (at least our way, and I assume they've reciprocated for when we log in). I'm happy to wait a little longer (there's 1 other team hasn't ended their turn yet anyway), but basically I think we're ready to move on.
This is the turn we need to commit, and there's only a few hours of it left. We've made the tech trades (at least our way, and I assume they've reciprocated for when we log in). I'm happy to wait a little longer (there's 1 other team hasn't ended their turn yet anyway), but basically I think we're ready to move on.
Trystero
Deity
I agree - so Math it is. I've logged in and finished the turn. We accepted Mysticism, Hunting and Masonry from AMAZON. I'll post a report for this turn shortly.
AlphaShard
Emperor
Question here but why did Amazon's score go up to 178 and then down 166?
